White Lion Nerf when?

[Murador]

This thread is somehow super funny - it's liked advice chat if somebody asks if WE/WH or int shaman/AM is better:

On destro side everybody will tell you AM is broken on order shaman is described as literally unkillable tanking whole warbands solo . And other people say dps shammy is dead now (I can understand them as shaman/AM feel a lot less fun with the changes - atleast for me)

I think balance should be used to keep faction balance - so maybe a sligh WL nerf wouldn't be too bad as somehow everybody plays order now.

[Blkfiredrag]

Nothing is as strong as a Mara in WB play. The AOE knock, the utility in Crushing blows for morale drain, tankiness, WS+Ini -120 aoe debuff and still pumping out amazing numbers. Even at best case scenario where WL pulls ahead 3-5% damage, I value the morale drain and ini debuff much more.

I think we have so many more tools then Order that our players can't comprehend it. Outta my way or Zeal Winds is by far the strongest counter to pouncing lions; but we are too quick to get the "Knock Channel" from our Mara's that we don't get to utilize a Non-Immunity CC

[Aethilmar]

Nothing is as strong as a Mara in WB play. The AOE knock, the utility in Crushing blows for morale drain, tankiness, WS+Ini -120 aoe debuff and still pumping out amazing numbers. Even at best case scenario where WL pulls ahead 3-5% damage, I value the morale drain and ini debuff much more.

I think we have so many more tools then Order that our players can't comprehend it. Outta my way or Zeal Winds is by far the strongest counter to pouncing lions; but we are too quick to get the "Knock Channel" from our Mara's that we don't get to utilize a Non-Immunity CC

Shhhhh. Don't ruin the narrative with inconvenient facts.

[fatelvis]

Quick side topic: why is Maras snare set to 5s duration /10s CD and WLs on 5s duration/5s CD?
Also leonine frenzy says 31dmg on hit in the tooltip but hits for 350ish.

[havartii]

@Culexus You have never played a shaman obviously. You must have not been around through the massive nerfs? Thats ok bud. Fact a W/L can 2 shot a shaman in full sov. It never used to be this way.. there was counter play, it was fun. But 1 Lion main.. won't mention any names got mad and took away kiting ( nerfed runaway tactic). Another nerfed ap drain and puddle, and tactics. They nerfed armor tallies that made them so squishy and now armor pots? PLEASE try and run a dps shaman lol .

[havartii]

p.s. all the while W/L received no nerfs and only got stronger. and has been sitting at the top for way too long imo.