ASW vs WE fights

[Stinksuit]

Most of the options across classes to solo were nerfed to the ground (both sides). On Destro, all we see is WHx2, AM, and the occasional WL. Now with a little Engi sprinkled in and 2HWP until they get kited a few times.

I always leave alone (or try to) the occasional Slayer (shout out to Wildheart and Khu), Logicz (BW), and the very rare ASW.

There are a few heal-over-time SMs that I ignore since they Tali, Lini, and RR +heal-over-time. Not waiting for their insane M3 =p

On Destro we have WE, Marauders, Magus (all over the place), SHA, rSH (insta die to WH/WL), and the occasional Chosen.

I am looking forward to the patch after the DPS balance patch where the Devs bring back unique abilities to classes (in their roadmap somewhere).

Yes this is really the truth, although some were justified and long overdue ( as mentioned, Def we when she ignored toughness was ridiculous, also WH of old was a bit too much).

The game just isn't nearly as fun anymore imho for solo, the meta is stale and you see these DPS casters everywhere, We's and then some regen tank here and there. Boring!

This is why i have mostly stopped playing the game or just fool around in T1-T3 scenarios, a shame since i really like the warhammer setting. The final nail in the coffin was the nerf to resistance liniment, that further nerfed the diversity of solo classes and promoted more casters/magic meta. We got AM/ Magus everywhere now

To me the bigger issue is player behaviour towards solo meta. I agree that the solo meta is quite stale with all the regen specs and deftards but the amount of duos and trios, heck even bigger groups who will just hunt any solo player down has increased alot, making it quite tedious to play solo from time to time.

I am not saying that they should leave you alone because they're ofcourse there to kill the enemy but if there is just duos/trios whos solo purpose is to just gank solos, well it can get really tedious to play solo..

I understand that the game isn't meant to be played as solo and each solo player should understand what they're signing up for by doing so but yeah.. if you just constantly get ganked by some range duos or stealthers who are out there just to hunt you down and then when you happen to get the occasional 1v1 its against a deftard regen spec which will likely end by a wb running you over because the fight lasts so long xD

[Shieldslam]

To me the bigger issue is player behaviour towards solo meta. I agree that the solo meta is quite stale with all the regen specs and deftards but the amount of duos and trios, heck even bigger groups who will just hunt any solo player down has increased alot, making it quite tedious to play solo from time to time.

I am not saying that they should leave you alone because they're ofcourse there to kill the enemy but if there is just duos/trios whos solo purpose is to just gank solos, well it can get really tedious to play solo..

I understand that the game isn't meant to be played as solo and each solo player should understand what they're signing up for by doing so but yeah.. if you just constantly get ganked by some range duos or stealthers who are out there just to hunt you down and then when you happen to get the occasional 1v1 its against a deftard regen spec which will likely end by a wb running you over because the fight lasts so long xD

While the solo scene is stale, I do agree that its a behavior issue and not only balance itself. The amount of times I get hunted by an entire group as a solo and then corpse jumped is beyond unbelievable. Just yesterday I had 8 people chase me from Praag graveyard all the way through the river (about +-1.5min to basically the pve warcamp .. that character was rr 61 tank, doubt they got any significant amount of reknown from that kill.

Same goes for the specs/classes people solo with, shoutout to those who have some dignity left. Boring AM/Shaman, kite trios with SW/RSH and a healer, braindead regen def specs, Magus being autowin. Also a surprising amount of 3x-4x WE/WH ganking up on solos. If people were less scared of dying or losing (you don't even lose anything if you die except for egopoints!) there would be way more interesting fights.
Of course the game is inherently horribly designed for 1v1's due to lack of gapclosers, disengages, class differences, parry/evasion/disrupt RNG, etc. so there's not really any point on complaining (like I always do) about it as it will never be fair and there will always be people who aren't interested in having a fair fight but instead just winning - it is what it is.

Though I have to admit I had some very fun (and close) fights these days against a certain Choppa and a Mara so that was a breath of fresh air for sure.

[Stinksuit]

To me the bigger issue is player behaviour towards solo meta. I agree that the solo meta is quite stale with all the regen specs and deftards but the amount of duos and trios, heck even bigger groups who will just hunt any solo player down has increased alot, making it quite tedious to play solo from time to time.

I am not saying that they should leave you alone because they're ofcourse there to kill the enemy but if there is just duos/trios whos solo purpose is to just gank solos, well it can get really tedious to play solo..

I understand that the game isn't meant to be played as solo and each solo player should understand what they're signing up for by doing so but yeah.. if you just constantly get ganked by some range duos or stealthers who are out there just to hunt you down and then when you happen to get the occasional 1v1 its against a deftard regen spec which will likely end by a wb running you over because the fight lasts so long xD

While the solo scene is stale, I do agree that its a behavior issue and not only balance itself. The amount of times I get hunted by an entire group as a solo and then corpse jumped is beyond unbelievable. Just yesterday I had 8 people chase me from Praag graveyard all the way through the river (about +-1.5min to basically the pve warcamp .. that character was rr 61 tank, doubt they got any significant amount of reknown from that kill.

Same goes for the specs/classes people solo with, shoutout to those who have some dignity left. Boring AM/Shaman, kite trios with SW/RSH and a healer, braindead regen def specs, Magus being autowin. Also a surprising amount of 3x-4x WE/WH ganking up on solos. If people were less scared of dying or losing (you don't even lose anything if you die except for egopoints!) there would be way more interesting fights.
Of course the game is inherently horribly designed for 1v1's due to lack of gapclosers, disengages, class differences, parry/evasion/disrupt RNG, etc. so there's not really any point on complaining (like I always do) about it as it will never be fair and there will always be people who aren't interested in having a fair fight but instead just winning - it is what it is.

Though I have to admit I had some very fun (and close) fights these days against a certain Choppa and a Mara so that was a breath of fresh air for sure.

Well said! One thing that I've noticed alongside with my friends is that

"that character was rr 61 tank, doubt they got any significant amount of reknown from that kill"

this is actually not the case anymore. Even bolsters give very significant amount of renown.. Daewuur even made a post/video where it was like him and another guildie, both being like rr85+ killing a bolster and getting couple of thousands of renown without aao iirc..

It's even worse now with the added renown buffs from bo buffs. I have received like 4k renown from bolsters without any aao simply by having the bo buffs..

I'm fairly sure others have noticed this and that has increased the player behaviour, where they will just simply hunt you down. Ofcourse I also believe that killboard kd farmers are part of the "problem" too.

[fatelvis]

As far as I understood the BO patch they took an invisible RR buff from all around the lake and switched it to the BO buffs. So theoretically, as long as you didn't cap all 4 BOs you should receive less than prepatch.(not sure about exact buff values, though, 4 BO buffs might exceed the prepatch lake buff)
Guess AAO is still slow so actual value might not be shown with the buff icon in certain situations.
Or the bolstered toon was on a killing spree before, think that has an effect, too.

And yeah, player behavior is pretty bad, as in most online occasions. You definitely should not expect manners or respect for equal fights when soloing the lakes.

[Pahakukka]

As far as I understood the BO patch they took an invisible RR buff from all around the lake and switched it to the BO buffs. So theoretically, as long as you didn't cap all 4 BOs you should receive less than prepatch.(not sure about exact buff values, though, 4 BO buffs might exceed the prepatch lake buff)
Guess AAO is still slow so actual value might not be shown with the buff icon in certain situations.
Or the bolstered toon was on a killing spree before, think that has an effect, too.

And yeah, player behavior is pretty bad, as in most online occasions. You definitely should not expect manners or respect for equal fights when soloing the lakes.

Just remember not to abuse/exploit (gotta ask rageproc which one it was) any potions to ruin that we/wh gank after the duel which left you with 1/3rd hp and all skills on cd

[vipevox]

The general behavioral line is now clearly visible on T1. This has long been a priority territory for fans of solo duels or small groups. Now even there it has become the norm to drive one target across the entire map in 10+ groups. And such changes occurred about half a year - a year ago, when many new players came to the game. Apparently, they brought with them a "new" type of gameplay. True, many veterans have adopted the same behavior model.

[Pahakukka]

Luckily every now and then you catch them chasers alone too and figure out why they play like they do. Many of then have no clue what to do in actual combat