Min rewards for zerging are too much

[Aethilmar]

Just now in DW.

1800 zone cap renown, 800 renown for lord, 9 crests and bag roll.

Total effort: helped kill one destro and hit the lord. Destro AAO was between 120 and 200% during the entire thing. No flags capped by me.

If I had actually farmed outnumbered destro I probably would have gotten 4-5k on the cap (not including all the freenown kills).

You want to stop/decrease zerg behaviors, start here by not rewarding it.

P.S. I have no idea what destro in zone got but having been on heavy AAO flips where you are pinned down, I'm going to guess a few hundred renown and a couple of crests for WAAAAAY more effort.

[MercifulClaws]

Well the BO buffs are cool... though(not 100% on math) but having those renown buffs could certainly make having 20-60% debuff from having too much be pointless. Don't think LOTD solution would solve it completely but be nice to see a damage debuff added so when 4 wbs roll up on 1/2 wbs, they can't wipe them within 10-15sec but they have the numbers to cleave/channel the frontline and push thru to the healers and fight over. Don't think the 1/2 wbs would win the fight but they could certainly take more down with them and feel they got something out of fighting. I love to fight, don't mind being outnumbered and losing 7/10 fights so long we getting kills. When you get 1-4 kills before your wiped, people will lose interest and log to another game or catch up on SLEEP! I know, sleep is for the weak!

[bestinge]

This is exactly why zergs dominate. The reward system just encourages sitting on the flag and hitting the lord a few times.

[rgarrett15]

how has this game been out this long and devs have not made a custom small man pvp area aside from the SC's which are lacking in additional maps

[Vri]

how has this game been out this long and devs have not made a custom small man pvp area aside from the SC's which are lacking in additional maps

garden of morr is new. The devs made K8P and The Ever Peak... They have done a lot.

[wopwop25]

how has this game been out this long and devs have not made a custom small man pvp area aside from the SC's which are lacking in additional maps

I wish there were a zone or events where it’s everyone versus everyone (FFA) and
the maximum party size is 6 players.

I think that would be more enjoyable for solo players as well.

[splendidstead]

Everyone versus everyone (FFA) zones or events with a maximum party size of six players are something I wish existed.

[shoelessHN]

There are entire guilds slamming out BiS 80s for 4+ years because of this problem. They fold under any even fight, don't play scs ever because they're actually bad. But you can 100v10 a keep/zone and get 25k and 50 crests nonstop.

I walked into a keep that had inner at like 10% on a rando t2 swordmaster with menace, tanked the lord and got 5k for the keep and then 4k for the zone. I was there maybe 10mins and did nothing.

There is absolutely zero point in trying to defend 10 vs 100 as well. Nothing from oil, they'll heal through all siege. You can usually camp the route to the keep and get a kill or 2 that are worth more than the entire zone but you'll get overrun by 10+ people pretty quick doing that.

[leftayparxoun]

Well the BO buffs are cool... though(not 100% on math) but having those renown buffs could certainly make having 20-60% debuff from having too much be pointless.

The new BO system does not buff your zone rewards (from defense or capture) in any way

[Ninjagon]

Yes sometimes you can be lucky and do almost nothing when the zone lock occur. Then you got relative good reward just for being at the right place at the right time. I think it is very OK to have system like that.

About the devs - Never forget how much they've already done and how much work they've put into the project. You have no idea.

FFA event for groups of 6 players - that sounds really cool!