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[Sever1n]

For non crit that dmg is bullshit for sure if this is not warcamp buff.

Lion - 967 str 700ws 136 melle power non crit auto on construct with armor debuff - 671/183 just checked. Dummy - 854

[leftayparxoun]

For non crit that dmg is bullshit for sure if this is not warcamp buff.

Lion - 967 str 700ws 136 melle power non crit auto on construct with armor debuff - 671/183 just checked. Dummy - 854

Your damage on the dummy indicates that you are not using Loner tactic nor Primal Fury and are only relying on the 5% dmg increase of your Bloodlord weapon.
Not using Loner means that you would also have to factor in your Pet's damage, but let's ignore that for now and see what Loner would do (even if it suboptimal for ST damage):

If you had used Loner on your build with the same setup you would have dealt 1053 damage.
If you had also used Primal Fury you would have dealt 1256 damage.

And keep in mind that you are not using the BIS ST gear for WL which is either 6 Tri - 3 Sov/Warlord with softcapped STR (Full Darkpromise might be better but I have not checked). If you were ST BIS I expect that the ST AA would be even closer to what a 2h WP can achieve.

[Sever1n]

99 melle power and 4% dmg boost will make 1256 into 1800? Im starting remembering something i heard about bugged 6 pieces of tri...

Im kinda concerned about how much hybrid class in medium armor with infinite drain , proks, 1600 armor debuff+heal debuff, and 2 detaunts, 780 shield, etc can perform numbers similar or higher to lion on burst buff. Lion cant maintain usualy use loner st and have 15 sec on min kd buff. U say WP can just be there with 100% uptime?

Im watching on sorks and wh 1600 armor with pot and realise that im no big dif then a training dummy now. Can understand why he created this topic. Starting to remember guilty soul ticks, executes that hit harder then lions, and new shiny spirit skill that hit like a truck.

Maybe devs really should to watch on them in terms of balance. Cos this is concerning.

[leftayparxoun]

99 melle power and 4% dmg boost will make 1256 into 1800? Im starting remembering something i heard about bugged 6 pieces of tri...

Not aware of any bug nor am I referring to any bug.

A BIS WP should be doing (unassisted) ~1409 AA damage. You can check my analysis at the bottom of the 1st page of this thread.

This is what I was referring to when I said "comparable damage" and not the 1778 that the OP posted about which was at the very least produced with some sort of additional boost(s).

[Usels]

It's obvious that the image was fabricated - we were fighting near the wc.

Were you fighting near your warcamp or near the enemies warcamp?

[Sever1n]

Just of interest who have bis st dps wp, what lvl of burst u can achieve in 3 sec on doll?

[nocturnalguest]

Just of interest who have bis st dps wp, what lvl of burst u can achieve in 3 sec on doll?

Thats e-peen number telling wholelot of nothing. But straight up answer - its possible to reach 10k with all the tricks and outside buffs, but on average you will reach ~8k (with same tricks). For example IB can also do that.
Without tricks its ~4,5-5k. In real fight you need not more then ~3k which is doable on WP in real environment. This number is independant on a DPS class tho and same for each and every class.

Thanks leftayparxoun, i like how sobering are the exact numbers

I, tbf, see no balance issues that WP offspec is working. It has cons and downsides and i see no reasons why they shouldnt hit like real DPS. Its all about how you spike your damage and in terms of on-demand burst WL is far superior to WP just by design so whats their AA dmg number looking like is totally irrelevant.

[Sever1n]

That 3 sec window is key burst that allow u kill heavy protected target if everything vent good. If wp or dok have it on same lvl with dps its bad, because they do pretty big extra sustaine to party leading to nearly immortal 6mans in grouplay. Coz there's no reason to bring regular dps isntead of it in that case. If its 4.5k with no tricks, just max dps rotation its ok.

[nocturnalguest]

That 3 sec window is key burst that allow u kill heavy protected target if everything vent good. If wp or dok have it on same lvl with dps its bad, because they do pretty big extra sustaine to party leading to nearly immortal 6mans in grouplay. Coz there's no reason to bring regular dps isntead of it in that case. If its 4.5k with no tricks, just max dps rotation its ok.

Well, the thing is that such window is actually a bit lower then 3 seconds (duration of KD for focused target) where target may eat undetaunted/unguarded (keep in mind, punt flight is ~3 seconds on practice and 1st second is still guard range) dmg. On top of it, that 3 second window is coordinated effort, usually its hard to bruteforce such kill, but if you do then total kill damage done may seem very low. Here is a good recent example of bruteforce (10 179‬ kill damage done) https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com/kill/56236050 . However those "details" dont record true story as well, its literally just "combat log of what happened then target goes from 100% hp into 0% hp not making it back to 100% hp again", so for real data one needs to record combat log and analyze it with either warparser or that new fancy website, but the last is worse and has design flows.
4,5k on a "fair" unprepared construct test is the number one will get on average (of course if everything crits when you do "special 3 seconds rotation" its gonna be higher), yes. But beside WL most will get same thing (WL will be way higher then almost every class cause it doesnt needs to ramp up). WP needs to ramp up for big burst

Most important part is that you will never ever pull off your perfect 3 seconds rotation in real game. Hence i say construct data is irrelevant, just as killboard data on a matter, and what matters is totally parsed piece of combat log (12 people involved at the very least) starting from "go" till "kill scored". Getting such data is unreal.

But only such data will allow to define and evaluate killing power potential and compare classes with each other.

[Sever1n]

Im using that 3 sec info to get a starting point to compare burst dmg on doll of dps classes in game in equal situation. Its better than yell OP THAT or BROKEN THIS. And yes its that average number that most results show. Im interested in speed u kill it and comparing to pressure dps doing, and 3sec window comparing what burst they do.If leeches have similar numbers of burst
and pressure as pure classes its very bad from my point of view.

Actually its big surprise that this post not became another 18 pages of acusations and got some numbers to see.