A reflection on stealth classes

[nat3s]

I think WE/WH need a buff tbh. I play exclusively solo roaming setups, regen magus, regen chosen, zealot, AM and sham.

I find WE/WH to be free renown in 1v1 scenarios. If you compare a def WE to your regular glass cannon setup most people seem to embrace in rvr, then that's a bit disingenuous. If you compare like-for-like solo built chars, WH/WE are not that oppressive.

Personally I'd be happy for WH/WE to get perma stealth, like DAOC days.

Interesting how you list 4 destro top tier toons and 1 order and no surprise the AM(THE best order toon lol) to justify your point, well as it is neither of those destro toons has to fight the Def WE, and yes most of them destroys the WH 1vs1 since the WH isn't on par with Def WE and has been nerfed too much.

But i do agree otherwise, WH/None Def WE deserves to be buffed, none def WE is a free kill and so is WH for OP abominations like regen Magus.

P.S. Perma stealth is a terrible idea( look at WoW Rogue as reference) but i do think the stealth should be increased to before nerf values, it just drains AP way too fast imho.

Agree about buffing WH and non def WE.

Feels like this may be more of a fragile ego issue? Does dying frustrate you by any chance? You should run solo on your chars for a bit to get a feel for it, once you appreciate there's no loss in dying a few times, you'll find you adjust your build and start getting 90%+ winrates too in duels. It's all about the build for 1v1s, def WE will stomp any straight dps build e.g. your typical newb setup in warlord / sov / triumphants i.e. those that see "oooo high crit chance must be good" type of newbro mentality. But you need to compare apples to apples, a similarly setup solo WL, kotbs, AM, RP etc.

Currently, for me, the solo meta tier list is:

AM, WL, RP, Zealot, Magus, WE

I'd say AM is #1 as it has the best cleanse + AP drain doesn't drop your detaunt so can be abused to cheese wins, including against def WEs (although need to be careful of AP sustain WEs).

[Krima]

Remove vanish, give more DPS. ATM dps of WE as far as I know is CRAP!!!

Bring back glass canon, powerful single target builds.

[Incertname]

Remove vanish, give more DPS. ATM dps of WE as far as I know is CRAP!!!

Bring back glass canon, powerful single target builds.

^ THIS! If WE/WH had something like a loner tactic, like remove stealth but increas dmg, I'd be happy

[M0rw47h]

Remove vanish, give more DPS. ATM dps of WE as far as I know is CRAP!!!

Bring back glass canon, powerful single target builds.

^ THIS! If WE/WH had something like a loner tactic, like remove stealth but increas dmg, I'd be happy

I think most of us would be happy, including non-WE/WH players