Help Needed: Making Grace WP Work Again

[kpihuss]

Hi fellow Warrior Priests (and evil DoKs),

Well, after the mega-nerf to the WP Grace spec—which was without a doubt one of the hardest healer specs to play even before the patch—it’s made Grace WP (and Grace DoK) completely unplayable in RvR or SCs (and I’d almost say the same in PvE).

The thing is, I still think there might be some way to make it work again, and although I’ve tried a lot of things without getting any damage, survivability, or healing, I thought maybe someone else has been testing stuff too and we could share ideas.

I’ve tried defensive gear setups of 5+4 or 6+3 (even 3+3+3) with Sovereign and Triumphant, using both +24 Strength talismans and +137 Armor or +24 Toughness talismans. My best survivability experience was with armor talismans plus resistances talismans (1x Elemental, 1x Corporeal and 1x Spiritual) a Block talisman, and a fully defensive Renown build. In those cases I could survive a long time in melee, but I was unable to keep my party alive in scenarios. According to the final scenario log, more than 50% of the healing I did was on myself.

Glass cannon builds didn’t work for me at any point.

As for my mastery build, it was this:
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I never ended up using Morale 4, because I had to be using M1 almost on cooldown

Could anyone share your experiences too, to see if we can figure something out?

[Illuminati]

I gave it up on DoK. I pretty much tried similar builds to yours (in mirror) but landed on providing a distraction as a tanky self-healer but it resulted in being the last alive versus sustaining a group.

Never made it to M4 similar to you so can avoid going that high in the tree for a few points.

[morridinalthor]

I play mostly grace, it’s terrible don’t do it.

Grace requires big brain positioning , hard to get gear, a strong team and has a 10 button rotation all for mediocre output.

Wrath requires big brain positioning , hard to get gear, a strong team and has 1 button and puts out huge numbers.

Salvation doesn’t require hard to get gear to be good is very simple to play and puts out very good numbers.

It’s only pros are it’s good solo vs melee and in rare occasions smite + Sigmars will can put out massive healing to the order blob

A good salvation priest will do the same damage and shielding as grace with significantly higher healing while also taking less damage himself

As for the morale, I personally don’t have issue getting to 4 and it’s a very powerful one but 90% of the time it’s offensive m2 with the team. I only m1 in 1v1 and very rarely m3

[Mortgrimm]

I´m also back to book.
2h is weak already but only play shield if u like to suffer. It´s just no fun.
There are changes i don´t get. After the healer patch book and shield was in really good state. Only 2h build needed to be adjusted. And giving the snare back to justice. Then all of the sudden Grace was changed with no reason to the most unplayed healer build. Why?
Instead of giving ppl the option to play 3 different styles they reduced it to just book. It´s strange anyway.

[Deadpoet]

I understand grace subspec (and MELEE healing including shield DoK) can be hard to balance, but such an emblematic, even iconic concept shouldn't be left to die. If big changes aren't incoming, at least some further tweaking could be considered. Sometimes a little tinkering can go a long way towards resurrecting these builds.

[Mvl130]

They don't want you to play dps or shield specs, they just want everyone to stick to book spec for boring backline healing ; but because they can't say this openly, what they do instead is a "rework" that kills the specs, and then you're left as being "responsible" for not being able to make the new specs functional, and that's it

Why do they want everyone to stick to boring backline healing ? Who knows. Some people would "argue" that if frontline specs were viable, then there would be a lack of book players ; but if people want to play a frontliner, they're not going to force themselves into book spec anyway, they're going to roll on another frontliner class instead

[fatelvis]

Biggest issue with melee healing right now I think is that you no longer heal via life taps but heal procs when hitting a target. The way abilities and tactics are currently set (e.g. sigmars grace, benediction) you're most likely supposed to increase your healing as much as possible while being able to survive as good as possible in the midst of the battle, which means you need to focus on avoidance and/or mitigation.
This in addition to the current ratio of damage converted to healing makes your life tap portion on the heals really small and neglectable. At the same time you're as vulnarable to both kinds of HD as any other heal class, just easier to target and reach for enemies.
To make melee healing somewhat viable in pvp the percentages of damage converted to healing need to be way higher (like double the values or more) than they are right now, except divine assault/rend soul.
That would make up for the extra risk taken to be able to heal.

[Alubert]

They don't want you to play dps or shield specs, they just want everyone to stick to book spec for boring backline healing ; but because they can't say this openly, what they do instead is a "rework" that kills the specs, and then you're left as being "responsible" for not being able to make the new specs functional, and that's it

Why do they want everyone to stick to boring backline healing ? Who knows. Some people would "argue" that if frontline specs were viable, then there would be a lack of book players ; but if people want to play a frontliner, they're not going to force themselves into book spec anyway, they're going to roll on another frontliner class instead

What are you talking about?

Snb dok/wp never existed.
It was created on this server from scratch, so your argument doesn't make sense.

Yes, it's true that it's not very effective now.
It got nerfed because it was too powerful before.
In ranked sc or regular sc, snb dok/wp did top heal and, note, top dmg. That was absolutely unacceptable.

I think the devs should fix this situation by changing the appropriate multipliers affecting dmg/heal. In such a way that snb dok/wp does dmg at the level it is now, but thanks to better multipliers, more heal.

There can't be a situation like before where it did both things at the same time.

As for book/chalice, healing is absolutely not boring, and after the healer changes, it requires the same attention and appropriate playstyle as other healers.

[Ruin]

Hello, I'd like to get an opinion of other Shield Healers.
Haw is this class supposed to heal/play?
Should it be healing from DPS witch is not working at this time (probably because of the issue of little Armor pen available, and not enought stats)
Or Should it be Base Heal Based, witch now is dependent on your successful hits and access to HD

A question to all: Would a build based on DPS healing be any different if the healing skills would deal Magic DMG instead of physical?

[Sinisterror]

https://imgur.com/a/SwNAX0q

2021 Shield healing was so good, and sacrifice skill that damaged you but healed your party and you could move while casting it was PERFECT. Also 13pts grace 10s cast that added 300 absorb for ANY kind of ranged dmg every 1 sec = 3000 Ranged dmg absorb if you finished the cast=)

man back in those days i said you have ruined dps dok/wp to make these abominations of adding shield which i sitll dont agree with, but everything else was great.

Remove shields and go back to 2021 version of grace/Sacrifice specs and they are not even OP now that shield is gone, and i quarantee you everyone who plays these classes would be happy=) I had to add picture of my Dok dualwielding Daggers because i happpened to saw it while i was looking for these insane heal amount pictures : D