BUFF the BG already

[Farrul]

Kotbs have huge stat booster sourses, runefang, m2, aura, wich allow him go ws. If you go WS on bg now u will end like at zero str. Option - "just buff channel" will not help, class need a lot of attention and smart solutions for his specs, especially 2h.

Yes but BG provides his own 1200(?) armor shred ability.

As for other buffs, i won't argue what BG needs or doesn't since i don't play it. All i know the damage isn't impressive from receiving end, looking at the raw numbers from ''that'' patch data clearly reveals the weakest channel skill.

[Farrul]

5 pages debate over a small little buff (which is well deserved). Christ just give BG a dps buff to the channel since it was clearly overnerfed and hits like a wet noodle now.

It's just like the KOTBS discussion, people were arguing that a KOTBS dps buff would be a huge thin, then devs buffed Myrmidas fury more than we asked for and it proved to be completely within balance, not a problem at all.

The drama of this forum!

P.S. hopefully the 2H IB will be looked at as well, it sucks.(not channel, generally) .

I agree, but I will also say, that the last time I advocated for IB changes / buffs, people told me to be quiet instead because devs will nerf them instead of fixing the obvious issues (2h IB should get grudge by attacking). And I think they were not wrong - look at the poor slayer, lol.

There is some truth to that, unfortunately. 2H IB was my favourite toon back when it was as the game intended them to be(GnM, Heavy strike being good etc). Now it's a shadow of its former self and with all the old problems such as a mandatory tactic to regenerate grudges. It just sucks compared to 2H SM and 2H kotbs.

[Sever1n]

Its common thing in every figth from dif sources, but not enough for specs with low armpen. I have similar problem on dok, with cap of str + 1600 arm debuff, but some well defended targets beyound my reach becouse my ws stuck near 300 and cannot be boosted without gimping build overall. Some classes have normal tools like ws boosts skils/buffs magical or pure dmg skills, but those who not - semi effective (in case of 2h bg - not effective at all, dont even know if he can afford str cap). U can compare dif between working spec and suffering one on any test dummy, results would be self explanatory. Str+ws+crit builds are just too expensive for such classes, and without it their dps specs lose purpose.

[Florian90210]

I guess Gravord nerfed his own class dps just to get CDR thingy for his SC comp.
Do destro even have something powerful with 5 sec CD to really exploit it?

[Alubert]

No cd cleanse, sever blessig/shatter enchantment.
Low cd channels.

[Florian90210]

No cd cleanse, sever blessig/shatter enchantment.
Low cd channels.

It's not game changing stuff unlike SW under CDR become real monster with barrage and lileath arrow spam,

[Alubert]

It doesn't have to be “game changing” to be useful.

[Sever1n]

Yes high elfs have huge benefits from WW, it was needed for slays ID spam also. Maybe it was original design. Cant remember key mechanics destro have too benefit hard from cooldown decreaser that non mimiced by orders. Main reason for it was needed in destro wb - fury of da green spam, but after nerf i dont know if shammies even rely much on it. But its last reason why snb BG may be needed in wb now from my opinion. In smallscale winds strong for buff canceling, and cleansing in general for both sides.

[Florian90210]

It doesn't have to be “game changing” to be useful.

For me personally it's not worth it to go that high in 3rd tree. In pug gameplay it's complete useless, even if you add announce macro.

[Wdova]

It doesn't have to be “game changing” to be useful.

For me personally it's not worth it to go that high in 3rd tree. In pug gameplay it's complete useless, even if you add announce macro.

Its great for organized WB or specific 6 man setups. Same as SM version. Otherwise for solo/duo/small scale or warband pugs? Nah. IB 25% aa damage increase is the oposite. Great for small scale 6man melee parties. Useless everywhere else.