BUFF the BG already

[Sever1n]

Ib str buffs stack?

[Sinisterror]

bg got knock down because ib has it.

there were handful of changes between them.
IB got outgoing HD because BG has it.
BG's now willpower buff used to debuff cast time by 1 sec.

Bg Should get cast time increased by 1s skill. And they should also work on Melees again, Like Am/Rp Morale 1 does work on melees, all other cast time increasers are percentages so just change them to 05-1s Base Increased. Something new actually good and useful but not too OP.

[Wdova]

Order SM cooldown decreaser: AM - EoVB spam, Slayer ID spam, SW Barage/LA spam
Destro BG cooldown decreaser: Shamman - FoDG, ?

Is really cooldown decreaser worth it on BG?

[nocturnalguest]

Ib str buffs stack?

What do you mean? With each other? No, they dont stack with each other obviously. IB buffs stack with pots like other abilities nowdays.

[Cyrylius]

Well, msh gets to spam channel which enables its damage. Shammy/am healing is no longer so crazily reliant on cd reduction and slayers seem to be kind of returning but they generally speaking want all 3 order tanks for various reasons so SM interactions aren't especially impressive overall. Tbh, biggest beneficiaries of WW/gravfasta are marauder and WL, funnily enough, since they have a number of strong AoE abilities with less than 10 seconds of cd, and getting more casts of them is generally good. That said, SM has well structured mastery trees with clear purpose for each, a luxury BG lacks. Middle tree has no real utility but is required in each build for avoidance buffs, KD in 2h requires left tree, right tree has a good ability on top but no tactics (I don't respect ET, fight me), getting a working build on BG is just painful. 2h bg still has a viable and strong build with CD, and it's performing well in small parties just because it's a durable and hard to remove utility tank with a good punt, but that kind of exhausts the build diversity. Snb BG can go mid tree to be very durable and absolutely worthless for a warband that can pick a chosen or blork instead. Or you can spec right tree which gets you a good buff that's still not enough to justify you over any tank with self morale pump. You used to be able to run a 2h BG in orvr just for the buffs, but it seems the damage in there is also high enough to invalidate that playstyle nowadays. I'm also aware solo BG was murdered by removal of bolstering anger, even if I don't play it. I do think BG needs buffs, I just don't see the channel of all things being the underperforming ability. It does its job, even if worse than other options, and even then as long as its damage is somewhat similar to chosen one the game shouldn't suffer too much for it. But channel buff will not fix the snb spec, and likely won't have much effect on solo capabilities. Order has a healthy internal balance for snb tanks, surely destro could eventually get there too.