WE/WH: What really went wrong

[abezverkhiy]

Crazy single target damage from dok? Really?

I met a couple of them who melted me despite my high parry.

But they are really a couple, most don't know what they are doing. Same with WE*s - there are a few who would always kick my @$$ but majority do not know their class that well. But people here complain about the entire class. Guys like Shadara/Solater/Killsattva will kill you regardless if you change stealth to 60 seconds or remove Witchbrew entirely. They mastered their class, spent hours testing each little aspect of it and most crybabies they know 3-5 skills and run in blobs most of the time so when a skilled loner catches them with their pants down they never have a chance.

[Krima]

Witch hunters AA works exactly like every Melee dps dual wielding! Always has so around 46% Chance offhand to proc from Mainhand AA

ok, thanks for clarification. What's the fastest WH weapons? I think WEs have faster daggers, giving them still the edge on procs.

They’ve standardized the speed across all weapons—daggers, pistols, and swords—so they now perform equally. Previously, we had access to much faster daggers like Abn-i-Khat (1.5 speed), while WH had a slower sword, which was strong for burst damage. Bloodlord now on 3.0 speed, Fortress 2.4.

[Narfii]

Crazy single target damage from dok? Really?

I met a couple of them who melted me despite my high parry.

But they are really a couple, most don't know what they are doing. Same with WE*s - there are a few who would always kick my @$$ but majority do not know their class that well. But people here complain about the entire class. Guys like Shadara/Solater/Killsattva will kill you regardless if you change stealth to 60 seconds or remove Witchbrew entirely. They mastered their class, spent hours testing each little aspect of it and most crybabies they know 3-5 skills and run in blobs most of the time so when a skilled loner catches them with their pants down they never have a chance.

Wow no mention of Subtlety I feel attacked! Lmao

[Sever1n]

Show me test results from dps dok on doll pls. No shenanigans just time to kill, 3 sec burst, 1 sec burst. So i can see that crazy amount of st damage comparable to choppa/mara u talking here about.

[abezverkhiy]

Crazy single target damage from dok? Really?

I met a couple of them who melted me despite my high parry.

But they are really a couple, most don't know what they are doing. Same with WE*s - there are a few who would always kick my @$$ but majority do not know their class that well. But people here complain about the entire class. Guys like Shadara/Solater/Killsattva will kill you regardless if you change stealth to 60 seconds or remove Witchbrew entirely. They mastered their class, spent hours testing each little aspect of it and most crybabies they know 3-5 skills and run in blobs most of the time so when a skilled loner catches them with their pants down they never have a chance.

Wow no mention of Subtlety I feel attacked! Lmao

You have one more reason to kill me. You and Discovery

[lumpi33]

Show me test results from dps dok on doll pls. No shenanigans just time to kill, 3 sec burst, 1 sec burst. So i can see that crazy amount of st damage comparable to choppa/mara u talking here about.

There are a few that can pull off some really crazy damage. Can't remember their names but here are some examples of pretty good dps doks:
https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... e48c380da3
https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... /scenarios
https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... /scenarios

[Sever1n]

From city link you posted i see worce results then WE/Mara in kill damage from one of doks you mentioned. So i would be gratefull for clear example of doks having same timetokill/burst of same target as choppa/mara as u stated. Doll will do fine, i want to compare your results to mine atleast. Cos atm they are stable bad compared to other dps i have, so understand my curiosity. Maybe some bis choppa/maras can show their doll records aswell? Let's make a little dps measuring contest.

[Martok]

Not trying to crash the party however I was a recent guest on CNNN and was asked to discuss an aspect of points made in the OP of this thread. My comments can be heard (and seen) in this video.

This...is CNNN.



Click here to watch on YouTube

[lumpi33]

Not trying to crash the party however I was a recent guest on CNNN and was asked to discuss an aspect of points made in the OP of this thread. My comments can be heard (and seen) in this video.

This...is CNNN.



Click here to watch on YouTube

oh man, that sounded like oil company lobbyists saying that everything is fine and more oil should be burned. I'm sorry, but I couldn't watch this in full length.

[lumpi33]

From city link you posted i see worce results then WE/Mara in kill damage from one of doks you mentioned. So i would be gratefull for clear example of doks having same timetokill/burst of same target as choppa/mara as u stated. Doll will do fine, i want to compare your results to mine atleast. Cos atm they are stable bad compared to other dps i have, so understand my curiosity. Maybe some bis choppa/maras can show their doll records aswell? Let's make a little dps measuring contest.

I'm sorry buddy, I don't have a high lvl dps dok and can't provide you this sample. You gotta do your own research. Just play t4 scenarios until you meet one of the pro guild dps doks and you will see. In the right setup and in close combat they do really well, which is in high dps groups and close combat situations like scenarios or cities. Some of them run in group builds of like 2h dps tank, dps dok, WE, mara/choppa, double healer or an additional dps and I'm telling you that they kill every target in seconds, no matter what. This setup has the front load, the heal debuffs, the procs, the armor debuffs, the knock downs, the pulls/or group AA haste and the pouncing WE with stagger going nuts while they will just disappear or use m1 against range when being focused. It's wild. Before you will be able to do anything half of your group will be already dead, especially with ranged dps on the other side.