WE/WH: What really went wrong

[lumpi33]

And to this nonsense about WE absorb.. It is exactly one-half of the antithesis to repel blasphemy (defensive tactic/ability). Remove that tactic and you bust the yin/yang of WH/WE. Any crying about it without bringing this fact up is disingenuous.

As gear progression improves and crit becomes more common, a 600 absorb is basically nothing. Any decent DPS setup will burst through that in milliseconds. In my opinion, it’s one of the most overrated Witch Elf tactics, and it’s pretty much useless in group play.

Are you serious? It is an incredible good tactic. That 600 absorb is more than 50% higher than the WH version and triggers off crits every 3s. You only need a weak dot ticking on you with a crit and already have a massive absorb. It is VERY good, no matter if solo, group or wb. Combine it with all the other stuff like guard, heals, other absorbs, parry, disappear, etc. and it extends your life A LOT. That it is useless vs assist trains is also not true. It procs at least 2-3 times, extending their health by 1200-1800 points. Compare that to a sorc that runs around with 7500 total health and doesn't have such absorb, or disappear...

This is not a meme absorb. It is really strong and should be lowered to WH/Zealot/WP level of 375ish. That's where it should be.

[Panzer80]

As gear progression improves and crit becomes more common, a 600 absorb is basically nothing. Any decent DPS setup will burst through that in milliseconds. In my opinion, it’s one of the most overrated Witch Elf tactics, and it’s pretty much useless in group play.

Are you serious? It is an incredible good tactic. That 600 absorb is more than 50% higher than the WH version and triggers off crits every 3s. You only need a weak dot ticking on you with a crit and already have a massive absorb. It is VERY good, no matter if solo, group or wb. Combine it with all the other stuff like guard, heals, other absorbs, parry, disappear, etc. and it extends your life A LOT. That it is useless vs assist trains is also not true. It procs at least 2-3 times, extending their health by 1200-1800 points. Compare that to a sorc that runs around with 7500 total health and doesn't have such absorb, or disappear...

This is not a meme absorb. It is really strong and should be lowered to WH/Zealot/WP level of 375ish. That's where it should be.

Why can't the tactic be good? I didn't say it wasn't. You're ignoring the fact that WE don't have a parry ability to hide behind. I literally addressed this in the post you quoted. It should be better than the Empire racial tactic. WH's don't even use it their racial tactic since they can burn through anything with BAL criting 65% of the time anyways. Zealot and WP are healers. Why should it be lowered to their level? IN fact, with the Atonement tactic change on WH Sacrifices Rewarded makes even more sense than before as an antithesis to WH design. The old Abos crit tactic is why it exists. Miss me with all these biased and terrible arguments, guys.

[gisborne]

Are you serious? It is an incredible good tactic. That 600 absorb is more than 50% higher than the WH version and triggers off crits every 3s. You only need a weak dot ticking on you with a crit and already have a massive absorb. It is VERY good, no matter if solo, group or wb. Combine it with all the other stuff like guard, heals, other absorbs, parry, disappear, etc. and it extends your life A LOT. That it is useless vs assist trains is also not true. It procs at least 2-3 times, extending their health by 1200-1800 points. Compare that to a sorc that runs around with 7500 total health and doesn't have such absorb, or disappear...

This is not a meme absorb. It is really strong and should be lowered to WH/Zealot/WP level of 375ish. That's where it should be.

Why can't the tactic be good? I didn't say it wasn't. You're ignoring the fact that WE don't have a parry ability to hide behind. I literally addressed this in the post you quoted. It should be better than the Empire racial tactic. WH's don't even use it their racial tactic since they can burn through anything with BAL criting 65% of the time anyways. Zealot and WP are healers. Why should it be lowered to their level? IN fact, with the Atonement tactic change on WH Sacrifices Rewarded makes even more sense than before as an antithesis to WH design. The old Abos crit tactic is why it exists. Miss me with all these biased and terrible arguments, guys.

Correct, it shouldn't be lowered to the racial level. Racial tactics are usually intentionally slightly worse than class/archetype tactics. It's similar to comparing Centuries of Training (25% of 300 damage) vs. Jagged Edge (500 damage on crit). For those wanting to nerf WE (which I support), this is the wrong way to do so.