New Player Experience: Reward Scenarios

[Nameless]

The problem is reward system at orvr even if u lose you manage to gain some kills so some renown is flying around no matter what. Beside that even if you lose you gain bag contribution and lock reward so you can end up with something at the end, not to mention kill here and there with big aao could justify your time at hopeless orvr situation.

On scen when you lose you could gain almost nothing. The feel about being farmed and gain nothing is very discouraging so naturally ppl switch to orvr where they could get something no matter the odds.
Imo scen mode need daily goal that got rewards not on win but on participation to match orvr reward formula.
So make daily reward by playing (not winning just playing) 10 scenarios you get guarantee 40 000 renown (which matches one orvr session + zone lock reward for example) and gain 60 warcrest (which is 1 gold bag + some crest from kills)
That is how you stimulate ppl to play mode that if heavily lose you could gain something and level the reward structure with orvr

[Martok]

Hey, look, I made a video based on the OP! (I thought the topic worthy of a few words)

As always thanks for watching.



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[Palumtra]

I'm thinking of giving it another go but the ludicrous crest pricing on high end gear is just so discouraging cuz until then I'm just paperweight, even as a tank, and since crests are character bound there is no alternate grind either.
T1 is really fun tho.

[Fey]

Tank is particularly rough as you'll 2-hand for scens and SnB for warband and dungeon runs.

I was saving up for my fortress 2-hand, but couldn't wear it without invader ward. BS runs are rare during my time, and 1 tanking it in Vanq isn't great with pug heals. So I just broke down and bought invader for the ward and blob/dung gear.

The amount of crests you need to maintain gear levels is impressive. If you need a serious supply of them scenarios just don't cut it.

[Martok]

Secondly, renown gain from scenarios is absolutely fine in comparison to RvR. The issue is XP. You get so much XP from scenarios that if you choose to level via scenarios, your renown rank can't keep up with your level.

What you said here is absolutely true. However it is also true that if, as a benchmark, you hit Experience Rank 40 and are equal in renown rank, leveling from 40 to 50 renown doesn't take that long. Leveling from 50 to 60 doesn't take that long either, so the 'catching up' phase isn't as painful as it once may have been. Again I get what you are saying, my counter-point is I don't believe it is that big of a deal anymore. In the right circumstances Renown flows like water. I mean geez, just play a Witch Elf.

[Fey]

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[Rydiak]

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[anstalt]

Secondly, renown gain from scenarios is absolutely fine in comparison to RvR. The issue is XP. You get so much XP from scenarios that if you choose to level via scenarios, your renown rank can't keep up with your level.

What you said here is absolutely true. However it is also true that if, as a benchmark, you hit Experience Rank 40 and are equal in renown rank, leveling from 40 to 50 renown doesn't take that long. Leveling from 50 to 60 doesn't take that long either, so the 'catching up' phase isn't as painful as it once may have been. Again I get what you are saying, my counter-point is I don't believe it is that big of a deal anymore. In the right circumstances Renown flows like water. I mean geez, just play a Witch Elf.

This is true, sure. I did an experiment (somewhat ongoing!) leveling up characters.

My DoK and Marauder I leveled up almost purely through scenarios. I enjoy lower tiered scenarios so it was quite fun, I only did RvR to get genesis crests. It was very quick to reach cr40, but both characters were rr37. This then "forced" me into the PvE grind.

My Witch Elf, who I started after the dok and mara, I leveled purely through RvR, something I hadn't done before. I was almost entirely solo (renown gain takes a bit hit if you group up) and managed to hit cr36rr58, after which i did SCs and PvE to get to 40 asap.


What was interesting in this is that the SC route is far quicker to reach cr40, but once you take into account the PvE grind, it's actually quicker to go the RvR route. Not only that, but I had tons of crests by going the RvR route, as well as all genesis crests. I could afford all the RvR sets easily, I got practically whole set of conq and vanq from gold bags. I even bought full invader, something I hadn't done in years!

I realise this route isn't necessarily viable for all classes. Ranged DPS, DPS healers would have it easy. WE with stealth, yeh, it was viable. But I don't think I'd wanna do it as a tank or melee dps.


I'd be curious to try the SC route again with the recent changes. Renown and crests seem to have been increased a reasonable amount, it'd be interesting to see how that affects the leveling process.

[georgehabadasher]

It's gotten a little better with some of the recent changes, but still not as optimal as RvR. I've recently leveled a character from 16-40, almost entirely through scenarios. Finished at 40/50 with 2.5k crests. That was after the first change to scenario rewards, but before the second buff, so it would probably be even better now.

[cacuba123]

Following up in June: Current SC rewards feel very balanced for R40 at this time during the 50% bonus weekend events.
I have not run SCs on weekdays.
I think there could be more “motivation “ to do SCs, a new currency like champion marks could be a route to being motivation.
Back in the day, u use to have repeatable quests for crests/currency for each time you win an SC.

If lets say winners of an SC receives bonus XP/Renown from completing objectives they get 1x Mark of War

The loser gets 2x Mark of War

This currency can be traded for 5x war crests or some form of other bonuses ( IE champions marks kind of rewards… 30x for a talisman box, 5x for a renown potion,)

Just an idea