Nerf RP/Zeal into the ground..

[live4treasure]

I'm convinced the forums are populated exclusively by solo players. It makes sense too, since the rest of the playerbase is too busy actually playing the game to post on the forums.

You do understand that in threads such as this, dedicated to solo balance, mostly people who are exped within solo scene would reply, right? ;p Thus the concentration of people in such threads who discuss their solo experience & concerns.

And those who arent exped with solo roaming & its fine nuances would simply avoid posting in such threads (and it is actually an adequate decision, e.g. I personally would probably avoid posting opinions in, say, quantum mechanics forum threads elsewhere since my level of knowledge in the said subject is insufficient to maintain an adequate, educated conversation in respect to the same).

Which specific words from the original post gave you the impression that this thread is dedicated to solo balance?

[live4treasure]

I'm convinced the forums are populated exclusively by solo players. It makes sense too, since the rest of the playerbase is too busy actually playing the game to post on the forums.

I think it's more a case that most people roll in WBs and press 3 buttons, so they don't know their classes or other classes as well. Also, in blob vs blob settings with tons of abilities, buffs, debuffs, CC and whatnot flying about, imbalances are much more difficult to discern.

So true, man. That's why you are also playing 6v6 and city, right? Because you and the other solo players wanted to learn how their class performs in a teamwork setting that is more demanding on your individual skill as well?

Right?

[Sanctific]

I'm convinced the forums are populated exclusively by solo players. It makes sense too, since the rest of the playerbase is too busy actually playing the game to post on the forums.

You do understand that in threads such as this, dedicated to solo balance, mostly people who are exped within solo scene would reply, right? ;p Thus the concentration of people in such threads who discuss their solo experience & concerns.

And those who arent exped with solo roaming & its fine nuances would simply avoid posting in such threads (and it is actually an adequate decision, e.g. I personally would probably avoid posting opinions in, say, quantum mechanics forum threads elsewhere since my level of knowledge in the said subject is insufficient to maintain an adequate, educated conversation in respect to the same).

Which specific words from the original post gave you the impression that this thread is dedicated to solo balance?

What wording of mine gave you the impression that i ever referred to the OP but not the thread as the whole? xD

Which (the thread), de-facto, IS dedicated to the solo balance of specific classes.

Re-read my comment, please

[live4treasure]

You do understand that in threads such as this, dedicated to solo balance, mostly people who are exped within solo scene would reply, right? ;p Thus the concentration of people in such threads who discuss their solo experience & concerns.

And those who arent exped with solo roaming & its fine nuances would simply avoid posting in such threads (and it is actually an adequate decision, e.g. I personally would probably avoid posting opinions in, say, quantum mechanics forum threads elsewhere since my level of knowledge in the said subject is insufficient to maintain an adequate, educated conversation in respect to the same).

Which specific words from the original post gave you the impression that this thread is dedicated to solo balance?

What wording of mine gave you the impression that i ever referred to the OP but not the thread as the whole? xD

Which (the thread), de-facto, IS dedicated to the solo balance of specific classes.

Re-read my comment, please

Precisely. It is now, after it's been swarmed by the local population of solo players. Which is exactly why I am saying, that the forum is populated only by solo players. And it's utterly hillarious, and also a bit sad.

[nocturnalguest]

Each and every forum thread that has anything said about any specific class from 1st page onwards quickly becomes solo balance thread.

Working as intended since 2021

Also surely majority of solo heroes (forum ones especially) are too cool for 6v6 or cities

[Sanctific]

Which specific words from the original post gave you the impression that this thread is dedicated to solo balance?

What wording of mine gave you the impression that i ever referred to the OP but not the thread as the whole? xD

Which (the thread), de-facto, IS dedicated to the solo balance of specific classes.

Re-read my comment, please

Precisely. It is now, after it's been swarmed by the local population of solo players. Which is exactly why I am saying, that the forum is populated only by solo players. And it's utterly hillarious, and also a bit sad.

Im convinced that solo players piled in because they actually had something to say & share

You, meanwhile, seem to have dropped by mainly to sneer at the people having the discussion. So… got an actual point, or is that the whole contribution?

[live4treasure]

What wording of mine gave you the impression that i ever referred to the OP but not the thread as the whole? xD

Which (the thread), de-facto, IS dedicated to the solo balance of specific classes.

Re-read my comment, please

Precisely. It is now, after it's been swarmed by the local population of solo players. Which is exactly why I am saying, that the forum is populated only by solo players. And it's utterly hillarious, and also a bit sad.

Im convinced that solo players piled in because they actually had something to say & share

You, meanwhile, seem to have dropped by mainly to sneer at the people having the discussion. So… got an actual point, or is that the whole contribution?

Yes because these solo players came in and made it so that half the thread about RP/Zealot is about nerfing witch elves. It is my solemn hope that you, and other soloers that swarm the forums, pause for a second and just consider how absolutely hysterical that is.

[Sanctific]

Precisely. It is now, after it's been swarmed by the local population of solo players. Which is exactly why I am saying, that the forum is populated only by solo players. And it's utterly hillarious, and also a bit sad.

Im convinced that solo players piled in because they actually had something to say & share

You, meanwhile, seem to have dropped by mainly to sneer at the people having the discussion. So… got an actual point, or is that the whole contribution?

Yes because these solo players came in and made it so that half the thread about RP/Zealot is about nerfing witch elves. It is my solemn hope that you, and other soloers that swarm the forums, pause for a second and just consider how absolutely hysterical that is.

Lol, a conclusion of someone who isnt aware how this thread was created and why exactly people had fun humoristically discussing WEs/WHs initially in a thread which has RP/Zeal in its name Nah, instead ego had to be shown, sneering at people had to be demonstrated. Any relevant input tho? Well, zero

And why? Coz solo scene players discuss their solo scene concerns, how dare they!

[Culexus]

I'm convinced the forums are populated exclusively by solo players. It makes sense too, since the rest of the playerbase is too busy actually playing the game to post on the forums.

There's much less ego protection in solo than there is in the other modes, so players are more inclined to feel strongly about it and motivated to post about it.

If a player dies in any other content, the reason for that death is diluted amongst many sources of blame such as their group, the blob, balance, etc. And with so many other players around, the death feels far less personal. They've just been killed by some random AoE in a blob by someone they probably haven't even seen.

However, when a player dies in solo, the only remaining cause is class balance. The death is also much more personal, as the player is the "loser" and another known individual is the "winner", causing a direct challenge to the player's egoic sense of self-perception. Hence why it's so easy to tell that a thread is a solo thread made by someone just after they've been killed. It's personal.

Solo balance discussions have always been and always will be a waste of time. Some classes are just naturally better at solo than others, and if anyone thinks that they'll ever be able to balance BW/Sorc to be as viable for solo as a WE/WH, they're delusional. That's not to say that certain egregious things can't be looked at if they serve no purpose in group play but have a disproportionate effect in solo (def WE for example), but I don't think I've ever seen someone argue from that angle, as they're not interested in group balance, only solo.

Please see my handy guide for all RoR class balance discussions below:

Spoiler:

Class I can beat easily/can’t beat me = These classes are balanced. It’s my skill as a player that allows me to easily beat them.

Class I can beat but can also beat me = Fairly balanced. My skill allows me to overcome them, but some OP things need tweaking/removing to make them more balanced. See above.

Class that can beat me easily/I can’t beat = Broken as hell. Probably played by a dev or one of their friends. Needs a massive nerf. I would totally be able to beat them if it wasn’t for the fact that they’re so broken.

You will find that it’s mostly category three that’s discussed on the forum, usually immediately following from a death to such a class. Category two is also brought up when this happens, albeit less frequently and more focused on specifics. Category one is never mentioned because the classes in this category are already balanced so no such deaths occur.

Finding if the class you play is balanced or needs a buff is determined by how many of the enemy classes fall into the above categories. The more enemy classes that fall into category one, the more balanced your class.

TLDR; Most balance discussions in this game are massively subjective and based on player ego and emotion. As long as players die, there will never be balance.

[nocturnalguest]

I don't think I've ever seen someone argue from that angle, as they're not interested in group balance, only solo.

This.

On a serious note, ive tried baiting/trolling/being serious etc but once discussion goes upwards into group play it just ends with accusations, emotions and toxicity.

Reason is simple - once serious talk starts its becomes an unbearably difficult and hard task to keep arguments. Its easy to talk s**t like fulmination is broken, stealth is broken, X is broken if you talk 1v1 cases that are literally chess style. It starts to be very multifactorial and complex task once you move into group play and consider exact performance. For a person who does just solo roaming its impossible to keep discussion on such hard levels.