Are you ever going to address ridiculous advantage Destruction has in sieges?

[anaxandus]

Despite your best efforts to ruin Order melee, some of us still have to play tanks.

When i try to push in through the door, i get pulled into a corner and choppa aoed to death.
They dont have to factor in this.

When i have to defend a push, i get pulled out and choppa aoed to death.
They dont have to factor in this.

When i defend on 3rd, i get pulled down through the wall and choppa aoed to death.
They dont have to factor in this.

When i try to push on 3rd, i get pulled up through the wall and choppa aoed to death.
They dont have to factor in this.

When i try to attack the ram, i get pulled out by marauders and the rest is said.
They dont have to factor in this.

Now i understand that removing pulls might anger reds who do nothing but abuse choppa train all they long. No, dont bs me, its literally all they do. Every single day its just blob after blob with choppas displacing order frontline and going in the backline. So, i ask you, do you ever plan to balance this, so we dont waste our time anymore?
Also for the reds who want to counter with "sOmEtHinG eLse" by all means open a thread and complain about it. In this subject, you have no leg to stand on, and you know it, else you wouldnt do it all the time. Give me a break.

[nocturnalguest]

By Sigmar will you are provided with a break!

[Jajcek12]

Are you time traveler ?
Tell me what range have gtdc?
In Your time maras can pull targets throw wall without double l.o.s checks?

[Boernsen]

Skill issue

[anaxandus]

Are you time traveler ?
Tell me what range have gtdc?
In Your time maras can pull targets throw wall without double l.o.s checks?

Enough to pull me from stairs in elf fort to ouside of postern. And dont pretend that you dont know what im referring to.

Skill issue

When nothing concrete to say then "ad hominem".

[Florian90210]

Try next time not stay that close. And if you xplode instantly, that means you're one of 2H tanks who refuse to use shield.

[Feodorovna]

I've been leveling an IB 0 to 77 for the last weeks and got pulled by choppa in defense like 2 times, magnet/rift are better to pull defenders actually.

being pulled in defense is 100% bad positioning either at outer/inner or main, post, 3rd. you really dont need to take any risk and you can play around your immunities if you really want to.

if you get pulled during an offensive push and instantly die in a corner, then you didnt press any defensive CD/morale/pots or anti-cc, you should always have time to repos yourself.

Some players just don't understand spacing and positioning. 2 weeks ago during a reikwatch def a SW got pulled by a mara and cried in wb smth like " wtf is this i was against the wall", dude was 2m away of the wall spamming his aoe like a dumbass and got called out by all the tanks. So yeah in most case its just git gud.

I would say the dumbest thing is getting choppa pulled through fences like at Praag's manor but well once you know it..

[Jajcek12]

Are you time traveler ?
Tell me what range have gtdc?
In Your time maras can pull targets throw wall without double l.o.s checks?

Enough to pull me from stairs in elf fort to ouside of postern. And dont pretend that you dont know what im referring to.

Skill issue

When nothing concrete to say then "ad hominem".

Of cours i know about what you refering.
Dont stand there, you wish to be pulled and got pulled.
There is planty of safe space there for every archetype.
If you are showing yourself with risk of geting pulled you need to have good plan why you stand there.There was times where those abbilities ware realy bugged/work wrong, but those are not those times.

[wardfan220]

Despite your best efforts to ruin Order melee, some of us still have to play tanks.

When i try to push in through the door, i get pulled into a corner and choppa aoed to death.
They dont have to factor in this.

When i have to defend a push, i get pulled out and choppa aoed to death.
They dont have to factor in this.

When i defend on 3rd, i get pulled down through the wall and choppa aoed to death.
They dont have to factor in this.

When i try to push on 3rd, i get pulled up through the wall and choppa aoed to death.
They dont have to factor in this.

When i try to attack the ram, i get pulled out by marauders and the rest is said.
They dont have to factor in this.

Now i understand that removing pulls might anger reds who do nothing but abuse choppa train all they long. No, dont bs me, its literally all they do. Every single day its just blob after blob with choppas displacing order frontline and going in the backline. So, i ask you, do you ever plan to balance this, so we dont waste our time anymore?
Also for the reds who want to counter with "sOmEtHinG eLse" by all means open a thread and complain about it. In this subject, you have no leg to stand on, and you know it, else you wouldnt do it all the time. Give me a break.

I posted on bug tracker on this and it was closed with the resolution of "not fixable". So the devs don't care about the abuse or are actively encouraging it by that comment. If they cannot make the pull NOT pull through doors and walls, then resses should also work the same way!!

[Aethilmar]

There are a bunch of partially tangled issues here:

1. Can it be fixed?

The answer is clearly no.

2. Does Order have a different ability that gives them an advantage in these scenarios?

I am not aware of it but others may have something they'd like to suggest.

3. Related, is the ability realm balanced i.e. does Order have a direct analog?

It does not on any class.


I am not in favor of removing abilities. I actually think pulls are good for the game and add flavor. But I would absolutely support making an analog of GTDC available to Order. My own preference here would be a new tactic for SM that turns "Gusting Wind" (aoe punt) into "Cyclonic Vortex" (aoe pull). But I'm biased there.