Destruction

[LordDanika]

Play the game you want to play and let other people play the one they want.

I think this pretty well says it.

Even if you hypothetically took away these tools for people to power level, they'd just farm rats (or trolls, or PQ mobs). The problem is one of attitude, and that you can't change though in-game changes.

I don't know what the solution is, but if you start searching for one or try to create it, you will find it. It's all about outlook.

This is true, but PQ and rats arnt in a safe zone. On top of that the rat drop rat is lower than say goro/maru. And PQ dont offer full rewards

[bloodi]

So do you feel that at all times the sides have equal numbers and one side isn't zerging, while the other doesn't have many defenders?

I'm not exactly sure what the point of your post is and I'm trying to understand it.

No, what i am saying is there is not such thing as a 5x times your number disbalance in rvr, whoever tries to argue there is, either is unable to do simple math or lying through their teeth.

And frankly, i have seen too many people saying hyperboles on the forums in order to skew the narrative to their side, it got tiring already on retail, the fact that are people here to spew the same bullshit again is baffling to be honest.

Destruction at the moment has the same problem order had not even 1-2 months ago, they seem to believe that a fair fight is only when they outnumber and unable to lose, else they dont fight and cry imbalances.

It was pathetic on order, it is pathetic on destruction, quit it.

[Azuzu]

So do you feel that at all times the sides have equal numbers and one side isn't zerging, while the other doesn't have many defenders?

I'm not exactly sure what the point of your post is and I'm trying to understand it.

No, what i am saying is there is not such thing as a 5x times your number disbalance in rvr, whoever tries to argue there is, either is unable to do simple math or lying through their teeth.

And frankly, i have seen too many people saying hyperboles on the forums in order to skew the narrative to their side, it got tiring already on retail, the fact that are people here to spew the same bullshit again is baffling to be honest.

Destruction at the moment has the same problem order had not even 1-2 months ago, they seem to believe that a fair fight is only when they outnumber and unable to lose, else they dont fight and cry imbalances.

It was pathetic on order, it is pathetic on destruction, quit it.

I can appreciate your frustration, but your only going to drive yourself crazy or you end up making angry posts on forums if your worry about what other people do.

I see people bitch in /ad all the time, classes imbalanced, too many of this faction, ect, so your not wrong, it happens.

Spend more time worrying about what your doing and less about what others do and you will be a lot happier. At least that's how i try and live my life.

Get out there an try to make as much fun as you can for yourself, in the MMO your playing for fun. Who cares if others are missing out.

[Luuca]

well excuse us for not all being able to 6man a zerg

and.. all credibility lost.

Lock thread.

[magter3001]

I can appreciate your frustration, but your only going to drive yourself crazy or you end up making angry posts on forums if your worry about what other people do.

I see people bitch in /ad all the time, classes imbalanced, too many of this faction, ect, so your not wrong, it happens.

Spend more time worrying about what your doing and less about what others do and you will be a lot happier. At least that's how i try and live my life.

Get out there an try to make as much fun as you can for yourself, in the MMO your playing for fun. Who cares if others are missing out.

Words to live by.

[Waaghaa]

The reason Destro doesn't Orvr is because they don't have WB leaders, and because Order zerg around with 5x their number. IC isn't the problem.

As stated in another post WB leaders does exist, the major problem for all who has been WB leaders is however that you cannot kick idle or SC queing players, in my humble opinion - once someone in a WB starts queing for a SC - they should be automatically kicked, so someone more inclined to do RvR, can join instead.

Its frustrating to say the least that 1/3 of the WB is either queing for SC or standing in WC guarding the mailbox, cause that makes any plans that the WB leader has for the WB be for naught.

A full WB of dedicated destro players is a force to be reckoned with, regardless of the opposition, this past couple of days there has been some pretty good fights against superior numbers.

[verg87]

Yesterday it's hard to watch when 40 destro warriors flee away from 7-8 order 26 players. 3 order players 1 kotbs 1 rune priest and 1 engineer stomps all at exit from t2 ostland. Where is your baws destro?

[skutrug]

That was Avocetii - Have you tried to kill the girl mate?
Just joking, I agree the issue of poor WB management makes organization difficult: Reorganizing a WB almost guarantee bugging, specially touching group 4. What Avocetii does is regularly (before castle defense...) drop warband and immediately reform one, so that people who are paying attention immediately rejoin and the AFK/scenario crowd end-up in their own WB with the leadership randomly passed to one of them - That's why you see several WB in the order interface. With all we have at this point, it's a very effective technique.
Having a few tested and trusted leaders helps a lot - Just seeing their names in the party interface guarantee RvR action that night... with possibly a grain of Zerg

[Luuca]

That was Avocetii - Have you tried to kill the girl mate?
Just joking, I agree the issue of poor WB management makes organization difficult: Reorganizing a WB almost guarantee bugging, specially touching group 4. What Avocetii does is regularly (before castle defense...) drop warband and immediately reform one, so that people who are paying attention immediately rejoin and the AFK/scenario crowd end-up in their own WB with the leadership randomly passed to one of them - That's why you see several WB in the order interface. With all we have at this point, it's a very effective technique.
Having a few tested and trusted leaders helps a lot - Just seeing their names in the party interface guarantee RvR action that night... with possibly a grain of Zerg

I wish everyone would quit using the term Zerg to describe warbands of players all taking the same PvE objective or mowing down smaller, possibly less organized groups.

The 24 player warband is a part of the game. Superior numbers in battle has always been one way to help ensure victory.

If Destro wants to stop Order from rolling deep in ORVR, it's only on us to form up, man up, and face them as an equal force. No amount of forums pvp is going to stop players from forming 24 man groups and PvEing for renown and xp.

IMO; Destro does not have the leader(s) it needs to pull together that group at this time. Perhaps with the Warband UI fixes in place, this will change. The sad commentary about destro is that Order was able to make this happen with a bad UI. Think about that the next time you decide to blame Order for doing exactly what the game was designed for.

And yes, I run in a small 3-4 player group most nights. I tried to Orvr in PuG warbands. I don't anymore because of all the reasons listed already.

NInja Edit: I'm not sure but if some players who were leveling when I was remember, I would organize and run warbands . And YES, we did sometimes avoid Order when they had superior numbers, but we also fought them many many times. This was under the old system of multiple zones open. I guess some will say I was "Avoiding" fighting back then, but to me and the players in the warbands I lead, we fought more than we fled.

[bryanmatic]

I agree with azuzu " play the game you want to play " . Also with the order zerg daily it has chased away many old WAR player's . I am 1 of the last left playing from my alliance on LIVE . Something needs to change , add AAO something but order zerg every day and night is going to kill this game and become a 1 sided game . How fun is a pvp game with only 1 side playing ? A change need's to happen before it is to late !!!!!