Sm/Bo talk only!!!!!

[Tesq]

id say that blorc is a tanks based on block but only if you have the tactic slots for it....

of course as all other tank in game, they have def tool or on skill or on tactic, but of course if you wanna spec def you dont stack parry, you stack block /dodge/disrup on bo, while indeed if you wanna spec def choses, you need to stack all def 10+ of block

[jojomen]

Can we change the way "Heaven's Blade" of SM work, to be just like "Da Greenest" - "Heaven's Blade" should Proc when SM being attacked instead of attacking by himself.
And when all enemy WB deal damage to SM -theirs resists goes Down. And it would give SwordMaster
similar selfheal like that BO alredy had,so in this way "Bolstering Enchantment" would do a procs
when SM being attacked by enemy.

[Silvertusk]

Before going through buffs on BOs/SMs some things that are missing and were working on live should be fixed first imo. I can speak for BOs at least 2 things are not working

1- right in da jibbles used to be a weapon skill debuff AND interrupt (in RoR interrupt doesnt work for this skill)
2- da biggest war bellow used to proc with cant hit me (block channel skill)
no need to point out how important for a tank career the missing interrupt is leaving only taunt for this job
I guess similar stuff missing on the SM side but cant tell (not played SMs so much)

[backrow]

SM also only has taunt.

[jojomen]

And little suggestion - Can we allow SM\BO , to use 2 of "WAR BELLOWS"+"BLADE ENCHANTS" at same time ?
Because now even unskilled\CRAB player can see how supperior Chosens\Kobts auras compered to them.
Exemple :
1)Chosen AURA -
"Discordant Instability" - You tear at the fabric of reality, warping the world around you. Enemies within 30 FEET will have all their resistances reduced by 118. During this time, groupmates within the radius have all their resistances increased by 236 . This curse will last until another curse is activated, or this curse is toggled off. After this, the curse will linger for another 12 SECONDS.
2)Swordmaser BLADE ENCHANTMENT -
"Heaven's Blade" - You enchant your blade with the spirit of the heavens. All your melee attacks
gain a 25% chance to reduce all of your target`s resistances by 157 for 10 seconds.
You may only have 1 Blade enchantment active at a time.

For jesus christ, 25....% chance .. to do the same thing without any party buffs even so CHOSEN can have 3 AURAS at same time all day. HE can be useful not only for party but even for himself -
1-2 for party needs , and 1 aura for his own -Heal,toughness,str.

Srsly it going be ugly when 18 out of 20 tanks all CHOSENS ones . couz auras too good to ignore them.

[Coryphaus]

Yeah it really sucks that ordo premades are running Chosen over SM's......


Look if you want to compare faction tanks you need to comapre them to their respective factions KOTBS has multiple viable auras not just str, tough or healing, 20% grp crit and 15% grp healing along with all the other things they provide like mutli target snares and IB is an all around amazing tank with very strong buffs

In the face of that it even if you buff sms blade enchantments they wont be good enough for party play


Kotbs and chosen are not going anywhere, their will always be 1 in 6 man parties just accept it; focus on getting Blorcs on level with BG's and SM's on level with IBs

running 2 bellows or enchants could be broken with how it would interact with loudmouth/potent enchanments

[Greatwarden]

running 2 bellows or enchants could be broken with how it would interact with loudmouth/potent enchanments

I can see the concern but you can probably increase the heal tactics 4-fold before there's any significant change in balance. (Probably 2-fold before current SMs/BOs start speccing differently.)

[Hula]

Comparing Elf vs Boss is a bit wrong. You have one tank thats capable to get a great weapon and tank almost equily as wearing a shield, and then comes the Warboss , a wall full of plates that can throw out some decent damage while you are trying to bypass the shield.

I believe that you need to fix renown skills for now. Hardy concession will be handy to most of the tanks , while trivial blows will make the squishier builds and classes happier.

Dont mess with characters. You gave black ork earlier knockdown. That means at 40 cr 40rr he will have three tier 3 mastery skills.
At retail they changed Down ya go With Not in da face because Tree Hit Combo was op with a well timed Down ya go.

Black Ork cons

Savi'n me Hide Gives you Toughness for 20 sec without cd. Required Best plan. It also makes your group around 100ft to take 20% less magical damage.


Da biggest war bellow buff fest , same as SMs.

Da biggest tactic provide 100 wounds. Bigah Bos Betah Bos

Series of debuff attacks that focus on melee- physical mitigation.

Not in da Face from Da brawler path give you nice buff debuff ability that is really handy and makes you a real pain in the ass at SCs.

Sum Up.
As a tank player i learned that if you don't focus on defense while playing the tank role then reroll.
Tanks must be in the Heat of Battle and must sustain a lot of damage in their face. To be usefull as an ork
you need to keep your buffs- debuffs up in the correct situations. If you want to kill, change class.

[tomato]

Kotbs and chosen are not going anywhere, their will always be 1 in 6 man parties just accept it; focus on getting Blorcs on level with BG's and SM's on level with IBs

On destru side we will run bo+bg and on order sm+ kotbs/ib, but probably with ib.

[Coryphaus]

Dont mess with characters. You gave black ork earlier knockdown. That means at 40 cr 40rr he will have three tier 3 mastery skills.
At retail they changed Down ya go With Not in da face because Tree Hit Combo was op with a well timed Down ya go.

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bo; ... 6:;0:0:0:0:

tree hit combo, gork smash, not in da face, down you go

this is black orc at 40 rr40 i have no idea what your talking about 3 trier 3 abilties

furthermore i played on retail and they never switched DYG! with NiDF, dyg was a 13 point ability where ever other tank had a 9pt one bar sm which makes no sense

lastly i still think you fail to see the problem, black orcs dmg is very high once they have gork smash and stab you godder but its a bad TANK ; terrible grp support and cannot do anything that Chosen and BG can do better hence why bos boss tree need to be buffed some to bring them in like with bgs

SM's need buffs everywhere to compete with IBs