The RoR Community is not the WAR community

[Epo]

So a portion of 'the community' give you hassle and all of a sudden we're all rotten bastards? That's a little childish don't you think? I happen to be part of the community and a very nice chap too!
Also, if no-one uses your teamspeak server then why did you bother adding a donation box you claimed would be used for expanding the TS server to 100 man?

[ThePollie]

I advocate the locking of this thread.

[Azarael]

For my part, I'm always mistrustful of those who seem too keen to offer their services.

I have no opinion beyond that.

[boog]

I have been treated with disdain and furthermore I have been ridiculed for my attempts at improving on the Social aspects on WAR.

In my opinion, there was no out cry for the social aspects of war to be improved upon. I personally thought your website was a cool idea for the people that wanted to utilize but I did not find it appealing. I get my fill of social interaction with the RoR community via the forums and FB. It would seem to me like you were trying to fix something that did not need to be fixed.

For example, 3 weeks ago on every post there was a thread about having a public Team Speak channel and the devs could not budget it... So I started paying out of my own pocket and advertised it everywhere, on these forums and on all the groups. Everyone knows about it, yet nobody uses it??? What am I wasting my time for???

I am on the forums daily, and safe to say more than I should be, and I do not recall ever seeing any posts on threads calling for a public team speak channel. That does not mean that there were not posts of this nature, I just simply never saw them and I do spend a lot of time reading the forum discussions.

The fact that no one uses would, dare I say, bolster my statement that the demand for a public team speak channel were not as numerous as you propose. I personally do not see the need for one or understand why anyone would want one. How would anyone get anything done if you have everyone playing the game in the same team speak? Enemy factions would know where their opponent would be and eliminate strategy, channels would be bogged down with idle irrelevant chit chat, baby momma drama would undoubtingly occur, and my own personal take on it is, I would not know most if any of the people in there and don't see any meaning coming from sitting in a VoIP with complete strangers.

While your willingness to contribute as selflessly as you did is noble, but to provide a service for free that, lets assume no one wanted a free team speak channel for this, and then to get upset that no one is using this service that you are providing for free that no one wanted in the first place kind of robs from that nobility.

Are you sure the spamming for a public team speak channel was not the voices of few and not the many?

This website is a forum. That is good. The developers have done an amazing thing with this website - it is easy to navigate and as a forum it serves it's purpose, however this website has probably got 5% of the functionality of my
warhammer website. The number of features that I have created surpasses this simple forum by leagues as my functionality is the duplication of the Official Elder Scrolls Online Guild Management Website, functionality that did not even exist on official war.

Yet, nothing, the only person that has truly engaged with me is the EA developer. Even the War dev's have been critical of me.

I did not do this because I wanted to make money or try to run the community. I did this because I spent about 3 weeks reading the forums and trying to put together a website based on what the community was asking the RoR developers for.

I once again have not seen these posts or threads about the changes the website needed to make, excluding allowing for class archetype specific forum sections. Once again this does not mean they do not exist I just once again did not see them nor was I able to find any through an admittedly brief search. Once again, are you sure these outcries were by the many and not the few?

(Perhaps supporting evidence for these claims of the community requesting changes would be beneficial.)

The issue that you find is that the RoR community is already unified on this website. Regardless of how simplistic you deem this website to be, everyone is already here. Why have everyone perform a mass exodus to your website when this one already has everyone that has or ever will play RoR on it already? It does not make much sense.

YES THERE HAVE BEEN MANY MANY BUGS ON MY WEBSITE, but the situation is that it is a BETA. That does not mean that you guys can mock me in game for trying to help.

Even the Devs have looked at me CAUTION, like what is this weird guy doing?

Why move to a website that is openly admitting the website is not fully functional when a website that is already full functional is up and running?

I don't think, though I do not know, that they viewed you as weird but definitely as what is this guy doing. You are trying to reinvent the wheel. If you have the background and expertise to make these wonderful websites why make a new one for them over asking them if you could help with the knowledge you do have to make their website better? Perhaps you did and I am not aware, a brief overview of the posts you have made would suggest you did not but of course I cannot see if you have privately corresponded to RoR staff.

But it's not only me, everybody is horrible to each other, I mean just look at the /advice chat from time to time, there is always someone arguing or ripping someone else off. Even when the developers are online??? Is that not against the rules of the Terms of Use? I mean seriously guys, what happened to 'Pink for Tink' spirit and all that Jazz that dominated original war?

I hate to sound like a **** on this one but, this is the internet, it is full of trolls and mean people. That is just what happens when you get the anonymity of being a faceless person behind a keyboard. The Pink for Tink spirit is still alive in well with war as can be seen that this game is still up and running because of the community. However, that mean attitude that you are discouraging still existed on WAR live, even while Pink for Tink was at its peak. People will be mean and cold hearted, the goal is to not become like them.

I am going to make an appeal to the community, at least make an attempt to be nice to me and take a real proper look at the 100's of features that my website has for guild and event management or I am going to shut it down and disappear like you probably all want me to do, which includes the free Team Speak!!

I agree people should be nice but even I have to admit you have gotten on my nerves, and I have never directly spoken or responded to your threads. When you were relentlessly plugging your website into nearly every discussion topic and even posting multiple of your own to advertise it on the forums, even after the devs asked you nicely to stop you continued doing so despite the warnings.

I don't want you to leave nor do I think anyone wants you to. But this post is more childish than anything in my opinion. The dev's provide this game and website free of charge to all of us and got bombarded with criticism and cruelty on a daily basis yet you do not see them threatening to cut everyone off just because multiple people are being mean to them over the internet.

And threatening to pull a service away from people, that you admitted yourself that people are not using, is not much of a threat.

Yes RoR is legal, no EA cannot shut it down because of a new law that forces EA to allow their source code as freeware, I have linked this many times on the forums, I am not linking it again...In fact theres is no link to my website.

You say that and the link is nice and answers some questions. However, in my opinion, unless you have consulted with someone with a legal degree of higher education or you yourself have one and can GUARANTEE it is 110% legal I don't care what you have to say about the matter. People misinterpret and misrepresent information all the time on the internet. Unless the RoR staff explicitly states the safety to openly advertise or whatever for this game it is rude to do so otherwise as you put them at risk not yourself (not to mention having the game shut down permanently).

I am simple very upset and I want answers? I mean I am supposed to be on holiday so I thought I would do something nice for a community that gave me so much in original WAR... But instead the nicest compliment that I have received has been, thanks for the TS, your website looks terrible and nobody is going to use the TS because you don't have enough channels or space... OMG - I provide this for free!!! Seriously???

People are mean, especially on the internet. It sucks and I am sorry you had to experience it, but you open yourself up to this kind of torture when doing what you are doing.

And to be quite fair, obviously the developers are making money out of this to page for their servers... They are running Google Adverts & Youtube Adverts all over the place. Now yes, they are probably doing this because they are trying to pay for the server costs which are expensive but they have forgotten that it was my idea. I emailed them over a year ago and had a conversation with the only developer working on this project at the time and explained to him that with his hit base, the adverts could fund the servers. I even linked them international internet law and how IP operates legally (An American Legal Firm Specializing in Ip protection on the internet)

You are making accusations (quite bold ones to) with zero evidence other than your opinion. Opinions are not facts. I suggest facts be brought to a debate over opinions. BTW, places such as YouTube (and I am sure whatever is being used to run this website) put advertisements on peoples stuff. Part of the terms for a lot of places and the people actually maintaining and utilize the service don't see a dime.

Already, I have influenced the capacity of the developers to deliver, yet they probably have not even put 2 and 2 together & realized it was me... I was offered (Well he / she was entertaining) a dev role here a long time ago when this whole thing first started...Although I am not sure if it was RoR or WAREmu to be fair...but I was unable to do anything about it at the time because of time constraints

You certainly seem to think your opinion throws a lot of weight around here. I wont touch that but greet it with skepticism.


I wish no ill will towards you but this post was unnecessary IMO and do honestly hope people treat you better. I wish you a great day and pleasant rest of your holiday.

[jmcusmc81]

There is one big difference now then on Live. We are merged with EU players. So if you were use to a NA player base with a few from other countries then this is totally different now. The time you played back then also had a more mature and fun community. Like yourself most have married and moved on. They may still play MMO's but it is different now because most have families. You do not see that type of community in any MMO hardly anymore. The closest I could get to that experience was in ESO but that game is meh.

The WAR community got pretty hostile towards the end there. So it really is picking right up where it left.

Everyone comes back chasing that dream to regain the glory they once had playing with friends and doing all that cool stuff. It's gone though and if you can scrounge up some old buddies and get an hour or two out of them before they have to log off and do something with the wife then try that.

[AzgalSoldier]

Azazael says that he doe not trust people that are too keen to offer their services , yet he is a developer on war providing a free service... Thanks m8 I think that you guys are right... I obviously don't belong here, as for reinventing the wheel, well your website is using phpbb - it is old technology that nobody has used in around 10 years, it is not Scalable and has only basic functionality, so I am not sure how reinventing the wheel applies here. As for being childish, well frankly I have been bombarded by people - I can remember maybe 1 or 2 people saying a nice word to me. I don't believe that this is being overly sensitive - it has nothing to do about the website - fundamentally it is about the fact that many people, an unusual amount, have directly insulted me many times including Azazael ... So thanks for ruining my memories and my favorite game - Client deleted I have better things to do with my life, eg being with my family - thanks for the fun bb

[Bacta]

Have to realize the majority of players who play the game don't use the forums or speak many different languages. Most people log on to just play if they have issues with the game they report the bug and its handles. I appreciate what you are doing for the community but the majority of people use there own guilds TS or Vent as said before. Majority of people playing this are indeed WAR veterans who love the game me included. I think the RoR dev's have crafted a nice website that pretty much hadnles everything people need. Would be nice if we had something like Winkls old war report http://pauser.com/warhammer/stats/all_servers.html with all these stats from Gorfang.

[AzgalSoldier]

Btw boog, you are not completelt correct about youtube: It generates traffic for RoR Google Ads and American Law Applies because the game is American Made...Furthermore your exadurations about my posting, well I only rote on 7 threads, 5 of them where mine and 4 of them where deleted... You know, warhammer was special to me because it represented a time in my life when things where good...And they are really not now...not for a long time...I really don't have much in my life and when WAR came back I thought well, at least I had that...I really just wanted to be a part of that again... I have developed a handicap, so there are your motives...This big bad arrogant person that I am...You are right, maybe I was over eager to relive the past, maybe I opened myself up to criticism but you guys have shown me that I obviously was throwing pearls at swine - Thanks for teaching me that lesson

[Mez]

Your website should be catered to guilds w/o TS.

[Genisaurus]

You provided a service that nobody asked for, and now you're upset that nobody is using it.

If nobody was using it before, they're certainly not going to now .