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Scottx125
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Re: DPS (Grace) Warrior Priest

Post#21 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:02 pm

Which is a problem, it should not be subpar, which is why the spec struggles to compete. I think the problem is that the way the dev's have made this version of warhammer is far different of that to live, I'm going through many posts which were written during live (and from first had experience too) where WP were considered to have great survivability, good dps and were one of the stronger classes.
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Re: DPS (Grace) Warrior Priest

Post#22 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:04 pm

I think the interrupt on channeled skills is more to do with hitting skills to fast(gcd) then being out of range. If i use brain bursta then bunch of waaagh i get the same issue at times, your basically using the skill before a gcd due to the animation of the skill being faster then a gcd. You could clip some animations on live so you got 2 attacks in 1 gcd more noticeable for me was on my slayer using deep wound straight after a skill that had either offhand or main hand animation, cant remember which.
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Re: DPS (Grace) Warrior Priest

Post#23 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:12 pm

Path of Grace is fine. Don't try to compete with focused, dedicated healers such as Salvation priests or a Runepriest, you won't match them. It will require more effort than Salvation but I find it to be drastically more entertaining to play.

Build for high strength and toughness, detaunt ranged DPS that could/are focusing you and try to target anything with low defenses to maximize your healing. You can put pressure on healers, tie up melee by slugging it out with them. It takes time to get used to the playstyle, but it is just as viable as any other.

Granted, it could use some buffs in a few areas, but it's playable as it is.

Opening rotation is usually Sigmar's Fist, Sigmar's Vision, Castigation, and either Divine Assault if you or someone needs health immediately, or Sigmar's Radiance for stable group healing. Just watch your AP and RF, use smite on groups to build the latter. Positioning is important, you'll likely be focused once people notice a healer on the frontline.

Good tactics are Greave of Sigmar, Hastened Divinity, and Divine Fury. Make friends with an Ironbreaker, they make fantastic tanks for playing Grace.

You will get hate for playing Grace, just ignore them.

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Re: DPS (Grace) Warrior Priest

Post#24 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:13 pm

Scottx125 wrote:Which is a problem, it should not be subpar, which is why the spec struggles to compete.
The game design has flaws and hybrids and anything that is unable to burst suffer a lot from it.

Your place in a group is limited, so you need good tools to replace someone else, who are you going to replace?

A healer? No, your healing is not only lower, it was a much lesser range and relies on hitting squishy targets or hitting at all, usually a healer will not be able to heal when silence, knocked down or under too much pressure but on top of that you also are unable to heal if not in melee range or disarmed, so no healer place for you.

A tank? No, your utility and cc is leagues behind them and on top of that, your heals are never going to be equal to a good tank swapping guards, peeling the right target or using his cc properly, he eats way more damage with any of those tools than you do with your heals, so no tank place for you.

A dps? I dont think i have to explain how much worse your damage is compared to any other dps but i can explain how much better tools they have for it than you, namely heal debuffs, knockdowns, armor debuffs, things to be able to stay on their target, so no dps place for you.

So unless we are able to start running hybrids as White lion/Squig herder pets, recieving group heals and buffs while not using a space in the group, there is no place for you in any decent group in the game.
ThePollie wrote:Path of Grace is fine.
You will get hate for playing Grace, just ignore them.
They wouldnt get near as much hate if it wasnt because of idiocy like this, its not fine, its bad, realize this and get out of groups to make place for a healer and try to change your playstile to fit your team.

There is nothing worse than seeing a dps AM or a grace/wrath WP that is unable to adapt and throw a hot once in a while.

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Re: DPS (Grace) Warrior Priest

Post#25 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:22 pm

So I'm to stop playing how I want to play because the class is bad or because someone else does not want me to, got 2 words in response to that and it begins with an f and ends with an f. Compared to live WP in ROR are severely under-powered.
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Re: DPS (Grace) Warrior Priest

Post#26 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:29 pm

Scottx125 wrote:So I'm to stop playing how I want to play because the class is bad or because someone else does not want me to, got 2 words in response to that and it begins with an f and ends with an f.
Oh i know this one, is it fluff? Foolproof? Fireproof maybe?

And you are not to stop playing, you asked how they were, i replied how they were, that is, pretty bad.
Scottx125 wrote:Compared to live WP in ROR are severely under-powered.
They are the same pile of garbage, you are thinking about RR 100 Wps pounding on lowbies with no gear, that was always viable, if that is the case even full Vaul AM is also good, you can also beat mobs of your level with it, impressive stuff.

On a situation where its equal gear and skill, grace wps just dont cut it.

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Re: DPS (Grace) Warrior Priest

Post#27 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:31 pm

Scottx125 wrote:So I'm to stop playing how I want to play because the class is bad or because someone else does not want me to, got 2 words in response to that and it begins with an f and ends with an f. Compared to live WP in ROR are severely under-powered.
You can play as you want. Just dont expect to get invited to many premades. Also get ready to be innefective against decent premades as well. Not trying to be mean to you, but that's kinda how it is. Your dps is sub-par and your melee heals aren't even close to a true heal-spec WP. At least doks have an uncleansable 50% inc heal debuff.

May i ask what is the big difference between live and RoR dps WPs? To me they look the same (as well as live/RoR dps Doks). On live, dps WPs were also "meh".

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Re: DPS (Grace) Warrior Priest

Post#28 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:36 pm

Then that is the problem, why are they so weak? If a class has the ability to specialize into different areas, then they should excel in those areas, Heal should improve healing, DPS should improve DPS, Grace should improve both DPS and healing slightly but not to the extent of the other 2 categories.

And WP on live were defiantly not "meh", they could reliably 1v1 any class of equal level to them, in some cases higher levels.
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Re: DPS (Grace) Warrior Priest

Post#29 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:38 pm

DPS Warrior priest needs a 3 second kd so more people play it. Discuss.
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Re: DPS (Grace) Warrior Priest

Post#30 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:40 pm

Part of the problem is gear, which has stats split between the specs. Second before how easily negated a lot of your heals are. Positioning, any CC, just extreme resistances will all gimp your ability to even play.

A knockdown would be effective, but how would you balance Salvation also having it?

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