[Scenarios]Renown gain too small?

[freshour]

Also if you buff SC renown, I think RvR population would drop... Despite SC's requiring a lot more teamwork and skill usually (USUALLY), it is sad that they give such little renown. I honestly think if you doubled it, RvR would still be 3-4x higher.

But you guys are the bosses, and this is your sandbox. I'm just playing in it.

[Skyy]

@Torquemadra, The fact that its a "pitch battles" have nothing to do with renown gain. Its not an argument, it can be both for and against..

(imo)SC shouldnt be a chore to get that wep or armor and thous get WAY behind in rr gain. (That is what pve is for.) It should be a fun and rewarding part of the game, and an alternative to big zerg fights.

SC --> Renown, SC wep/armor, medallions
Orvr --> (10 times more) Renown, (5-10 times more) medallions.

There simply isnt enuff reason to play sc. Everytime your in an SC and not in rvr you are loosing out. Dont see why I should be punished for playing a part of the game. Again, not saying that renown should be equal to orvr, just that current rate doesnt make it worth it, witch leads to low pop, bad balance in sc etc.

[Sizer]

Scenarios are small pitched battles with locked numbers and an objective. The renown gain is fine, the carrot in scens is weapons and off spec armour.

And yet in the end the mythic devs standardized currencies so there was only one type and you could use it to buy sc weapons and rvr gear. And if this server imitates live, that should happen here.

So scs need to give decent renown if they no longer have unique rewards. If the above doesnt happen, they dont need anything, but i hope it will, or t4 will become miserable if you cant play primetime (look how long it takes to get dev during NA hours when theres no rvr).

[Luth]

Renown gain in RvR is too high, renown gain in SCs is ok.
Most people can't remember how it was before mythic introduced all kinds of ridicolous renown buffs (e.g. 100% renown weekends or even whole weeks).

[Shadowgurke]

Scenarios are small pitched battles with locked numbers and an objective. The renown gain is fine, the carrot in scens is weapons and off spec armour.

The renown gain is abysmal. The offspec armor is useless for most classes and the scenario weapons are on par with quest weapons that can be gained within half an hour. For dps classes the boundless gear outperforms them by a lot.

[magicthighs]

Scenarios are small pitched battles with locked numbers and an objective. The renown gain is fine, the carrot in scens is weapons and off spec armour.

The renown gain is abysmal.

It's fine. As Luth said, orvr renown gain is a bit over the top.

The offspec armor is useless for most classes

I really like it on 2H tanks actually. And combining it with devastator can be pretty nice for most classes.

and the scenario weapons are on par with quest weapons that can be gained within half an hour.

Yeah, they are. And anyone can get them, even people who don't do orvr.

For dps classes the boundless gear outperforms them by a lot.

That would be because of the what, 10 ranks difference in level requirement? You do realise that the level caps are going back to normal once T4 is released, right?

[freshour]

Is it safe to say that most people saying no to this don't do SC's very often OR don't play NA hours more specifically on order side of the NA hours?

If not - You must be very special to your family or you are just trolling.

Because if you do a lot of SC's, or play during NA hours you would without a doubt agree with this post... I'm still not entirely sure how people aren't actually.. Lotta special people I guess.

[Shadowgurke]

It's fine. As Luth said, orvr renown gain is a bit over the top.

But you are not going to reduce oRvR renown, are you?

I really like it on 2H tanks actually. And combining it with devastator can be pretty nice for most classes.

Which is why I said useless on most classes. It's not a carrot.

and the scenario weapons are on par with quest weapons that can be gained within half an hour.

Yeah, they are. And anyone can get them, even people who don't do orvr.

Which is why this is not a good "reward" for Scenarios

For dps classes the boundless gear outperforms them by a lot.

That would be because of the what, 10 ranks difference in level requirement? You do realise that the level caps are going back to normal once T4 is released, right?

6 ranks. not to mention Brigands who most of the time outperformed them as well. The Scenario weapons can be farmed within 3 or 4 days playing casually. That is not a "carrot".

I don't want to zealously promote higher RR gain in Scenarios but I feel like most players who are against this or don't see the issue with the Renown never actually tried to push their RR via Scenarios. I am not talking about RR 1-30.

[magicthighs]

But you are not going to reduce oRvR renown, are you?

No idea what's planned for that, I wouldn't oppose it.

Which is why I said useless on most classes. It's not a carrot.

But it's not useless on most classes. For some it's better than devastator, for others totally worth getting while you gear up, combining some pieces with devastator, stalker, greens, purples, whatever.

Which is why this is not a good "reward" for Scenarios

Why not? Because you can get something similar in pve? That's always been the case in this game. Remember T4 epic quest weapons? Bastion stairs weapons?

6 ranks

9 ranks for the cheapest item, the boots.

not to mention Brigands who most of the time outperformed them as well

Most people actually still prefer the sets because of the bonuses.

The Scenario weapons can be farmed within 3 or 4 days playing casually. That is not a "carrot".

And if they were made more expensive people would complain it's a grind.

[Shadowgurke]

No idea what's planned for that, I wouldn't oppose it.

So you are actually in favor of what I said? Bringing renown gain in line?

But it's not useless on most classes. For some it's better than devastator, for others totally worth getting while you gear up, combining some pieces with devastator, stalker, greens, purples, whatever.

Let me rephrase that. It's an entirely optional set with little to no endgame viability.

Why not? Because you can get something similar in pve? That's always been the case in this game. Remember T4 epic quest weapons? Bastion stairs weapons?

If you can either grind Scenarios for ~8 hours or make a quest that takes 30-60 minutes for the exact same outcome, why would anyone in their right mind do Scenarios? I am not saying take out the Scenario weapon. But don't act like this is the "reward" for Scenarios.

6 ranks

9 ranks for the cheapest item, the boots.

Since we are talking about weapons, I don't think that applies.

not to mention Brigands who most of the time outperformed them as well

Most people actually still prefer the sets because of the bonuses.

I was talking about Brigand weapons.

The Scenario weapons can be farmed within 3 or 4 days playing casually. That is not a "carrot".[/quote]

And if they were made more expensive people would complain it's a grind.[/quote]

The people who complain are the ones who loathe Scenarios. Now that we have the quest weapons, there is no reason to do Scens so no reason to complain. Increasing the price would not fix anything because, again, there are similar weapons available for less effort. If you really want to make weapons the reward for Scenarios then there is one simple solution. Make the best weapons by far available only through Scenarios, preferably upgradeable ones. Since this won't happen I suggest thinking about a better "reward" for Scenarios. Like... Renown.