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[SilverWF]

Disagree
Phys ranged DPS is already strong for current lvl cap

1. There is still not much armor here. Spec some WS!
2. This will buff SH, SW and Engineer, and Magus will became a totally bullsh... in comparison with them.

1. Even medium armor mdps is able to push armor cap in T3 without giving up too much. Armor pots are widely available now. WS stacking is of course vital but cannot be stacked at the same rate as armor. This is why these tactics were implemented on live.

2. This isn't a buff, these are core tactics. Magus does not have physical damage, this is how the balance always was on live.

At live weren't cap of 32 levels. And it wasn't really matter at what lvl you are getting this or that, coz finally we all was coming to 40 rank with all abilities and gear.
But, here is not live and we have cap of 32 levels here and related to this cap gear. Pretty bad defensive gear, talis and pots.

This tactics has not only WS, but BS too, so you will able to spent some RR points to something more useful (more crit, or tou, or dodge), than BS and/or WS.

Also, all RDPS has armor debuff. And it's stronger, than top armor pot (or pretty same). And I didn't even say, that top pots costs as airplane.

And please, SW whining on WS and firepower lack? Really?

[TenTonHammer]

Because then SW would be as far as i can recall the only class in T2 with a 50% inc heal debuff which would make the class and order as a whole massivly op in T2, i dont know if youve been in T2 recently but healing is absolutely broken in that tier cause with basically no class has a 50% inc heal debuff, 25% ones dont cut it and by the time you can spec it your already basically out of the tier.

Now back to the subject at han : if one of the 3 pRDPS classes got this tactic at say 32 then i would be more than ok at moving the other 2 classes mirror tactics to 32 so that all would get it at the same level BUT because all 3 classes get the tactic or its equvilent at 33 i see no reason to move it to 32

[Thorondir]

Disagree
Phys ranged DPS is already strong for current lvl cap

1. There is still not much armor here. Spec some WS!
2. This will buff SH, SW and Engineer, and Magus will became a totally bullsh... in comparison with them.

1. Even medium armor mdps is able to push armor cap in T3 without giving up too much. Armor pots are widely available now. WS stacking is of course vital but cannot be stacked at the same rate as armor. This is why these tactics were implemented on live.

2. This isn't a buff, these are core tactics. Magus does not have physical damage, this is how the balance always was on live.

At live weren't cap of 32 levels. And it wasn't really matter at what lvl you are getting this or that, coz finally we all was coming to 40 rank with all abilities and gear.
But, here is not live and we have cap of 32 levels here and related to this cap gear. Pretty bad defensive gear, talis and pots.

This tactics has not only WS, but BS too, so you will able to spent some RR points to something more useful (more crit, or tou, or dodge), than BS and/or WS.

Also, all RDPS has armor debuff. And it's stronger, than top armor pot (or pretty same). And I didn't even say, that top pots costs as airplane.

And please, SW whining on WS and firepower lack? Really?

Ultimately, I agree that the issue is a product of the RoR artificial level cap. However, with stat scaling, twinked out T3 physical mitigation isn't very different from T4 live.

These tactics were the subject of a PRDPS balance patch to address mitigation. They were considered critical to the class.

Sorry but no whine here, just seems like a sensible change to me. No need to be threatened. I do love how quickly the personal attacks come . Stay classy.

[Euan]

To be fair they get it at level 21, I'd hardly say that's broken.

[TenTonHammer]

21 vs 25 for pretty much every one else, it would not change the fact that they would be the only ones in t2 with a spammable no cool down 50% inc heal debuff with a joke of a requirement

[Thorondir]

21 vs 25 for pretty much every one else, it would not change the fact that they would be the only ones in t2 with a spammable no cool down 50% inc heal debuff with a joke of a requirement

Fair enough, and I would say that there was merit to that change for balance under the artificial RoR level cap.

[Euan]

Marauder has a 25% heal debuff at 12 when no one else does. I'd say that's more impactful but it's still doesn't break them. The SW gets it on it's last level of T2.

[Scrilian]

Can we never ever see those tactics?

[TenTonHammer]

At level 12/t1 healing is no where near as strong as healing is in t2

a 25% hd wont cut it vs a healed target in t2

[Euan]

Level 12-21 vs 21. 25% heal debuff makes the cut even with the previous level 26 fyi.