Scs need a change

[Martok]

SC's need a change

No they don't.

[Martok]

Ironclad is prob the worst sc in the game.

No, it isn't.

The Ironclad is just like every other SC in the game, in that it is different from every other SC in the game and thus requires a different mode of play. If every SC were exactly the same then what the **** would be the point?

Learn to adapt, as every SC was constructed to be in some manner different from every other SC.

[2Pryde]

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/5 LFG for SCs

There you go.

Edit: push more 6v6 scs for PUGs IMO. Force these cats to actually play their class. Learn to Guard swap, Assist, Detaunt, positional awareness, proper CC usage, etc.

Basically, learn the **** game and you won't get stomped on repeat as often.

Or, join a group. Either way, cater to casual solos LESS. Hell, make the weekend SC require duo or higher to que for. Solo PUGs already have an SC just for them.

Fight it out as a group, learn, try to get better.

A kinder and more diplomatic response would be more appropriate, but this one pretty much hits the spot.

[Kloaner]

I don't think any solo player should be forced to participate in this only because he also would like to have the weekly rewards of this scenario. There should be always a pug and group version of it. Also even if he formed a group, some groups have years of experience playing together. Do you really think it would change the outcome?

what amazes me is that people want to tell you that pug sc are better. in ironclad the typical cast would be 2 enigs, 2 bw/sw, a wh and your character. sounds like a lot of fun.

[Kuschell]

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/5 LFG for SCs

There you go.

Edit: push more 6v6 scs for PUGs IMO. Force these cats to actually play their class. Learn to Guard swap, Assist, Detaunt, positional awareness, proper CC usage, etc.

Basically, learn the **** game and you won't get stomped on repeat as often.

Or, join a group. Either way, cater to casual solos LESS. Hell, make the weekend SC require duo or higher to que for. Solo PUGs already have an SC just for them.

Fight it out as a group, learn, try to get better.

A kinder and more diplomatic response would be more appropriate, but this one pretty much hits the spot.

And thats what i ment with ppl gonna cry. The first one stating learn to play, yeah what i read between the line is plz dont do that so i can just continue to stomp random pugs with crap setup with my 2-2-2 and tell ppl how skilled iam becouse i win 10/10. Why dont you go and prove yourself in ranked, than we will see how good you can play the Game?

[Kuschell]

I don't think any solo player should be forced to participate in this only because he also would like to have the weekly rewards of this scenario. There should be always a pug and group version of it. Also even if he formed a group, some groups have years of experience playing together. Do you really think it would change the outcome?

what amazes me is that people want to tell you that pug sc are better. in ironclad the typical cast would be 2 enigs, 2 bw/sw, a wh and your character. sounds like a lot of fun.

Its not about bether its about to have at least a chance to put a fight and yeah if both sides have such a setup even that can be fun

[Cyrylius]

Regardless of my opinion on the SCs it's honestly pretty triggering that for an average RoR player default response to losing is asking devs to change the game, not improving. Literally the same mentality that makes premades dodge other premades if they are losing and ranked 6v6 scene to die.

Also, making ironclad pug only is not exactly a solution, it's a 6v6 SC and as such it's affected by personal player skill/gear. If on a given day a specific guild decides to do it on every toon and they decide to play only 80+ RR toons then you will suffer anyway being on the other side. 6v6 can be carried by one player, on top of being much more reliant on proper composition. You'll be seeing stomps all the time, and something tells me that players who form 80+ SC premades since the beginning of the game and play together a lot will usually be at the giving end of them.

[lumpi33]

And thats what i ment with ppl gonna cry. The first one stating learn to play, yeah what i read between the line is plz dont do that so i can just continue to stomp random pugs with crap setup with my 2-2-2 and tell ppl how skilled iam becouse i win 10/10. Why dont you go and prove yourself in ranked, than we will see how good you can play the Game?

Exactly. Most people here on the forum are long time players with guilds, decked out characters and premades. They are not a represenation of the RoR community and they tend to lie when it's about taking away some of their fun, whether it is nerfing their favorite toon or stomping in SCs.

The only thing that is not lying are the numbers.

I did an evaluation of 13596 T4 SCs from the Killboard data not long ago and it turned out that 2/3 of all T4 SCs are heavily one-sided with one side having more than 3 times the kills of the other side. A classic stomp. (viewtopic.php?f=8&t=48813)

SC STANDARD/T4 - Order dominating SC with > 3x Destro kills done: 4655 of 13596
SC STANDARD/T4 - Destro dominating SC with > 3x Order kills done: 4122 of 13596
SC STANDARD/T4 - Balanced SCs (neither dominating, kills <= 3x other kills): 4819 of 13596

To make the game overall more fun the aim should be to decrease this stomping rate in T4 SCs and have more balanced rounds with actual fighting.

1. By making the event SC PUG only or adding a PUG version for it (since this is the one that is mostly popping and being played)
2. By making sure that each PUG side has at least 1/6 healers, at least 1/6 tanks and at least 1/3 dps. By doing this you would get setups like 2/2/2, 1/3/2, 2/3/1, 3/2/1, 1/2/3 that can put up a fight.

These two simple changes would make the situation in T4 SCs A LOT better.

[Akilinus]

Ban the people who dare to group up in an MMO!

[lumpi33]

Ban the people who dare to group up in an MMO!

Start with Akilinus