classes role

[Penril]

dps wp doesnt suck at all , i invite any of you to 1 vs 1 me . (and again dont defend this by saying this is a zerg game and blah blah blah blah )

I bet shamies and SHs eat WPs 1v1 all the time. if u ever lose to melee class or tank 1v1 on dps WP you would be doing something horribly wrong (talking bout current t2).

Given same gear, WPs/DoKs aren't that hard if you are a good tank with high block/parry.

KotBS can easily beat DoK for sure. WPs are easy if you interrupt their Divine Assault (taunt ftw).

Shamans, DoKs and even Magus will beat a DPS WP (i used to :| a super twinked DPS WP with my Magus in T3).

AMs and SWs also :| DoKs. Probly Engies too.

Saw many WHs/WEs beating DoKs/WPs too.

[Boozy]

dps wp doesnt suck at all , i invite any of you to 1 vs 1 me . (and again dont defend this by saying this is a zerg game and blah blah blah blah )

I bet shamies and SHs eat WPs 1v1 all the time. if u ever lose to melee class or tank 1v1 on dps WP you would be doing something horribly wrong (talking bout current t2).

Given same gear, WPs/DoKs aren't that hard if you are a good tank with high block/parry.

KotBS can easily beat DoK for sure. WPs are easy if you interrupt their Divine Assault (taunt ftw).

Shamans, DoKs and even Magus will beat a DPS WP (i used to :| a super twinked DPS WP with my Magus in T3).

SWs also :| DoKs.

properly played and geared DPS WP at higher RR of T4 could beat pretty much anyone in duels T3 DPS WP were terrible due to horrible itemization

[Penril]

properly played and geared DPS WP at higher RR of T4 could beat pretty much anyone in duels

lol no...

[secondprice]

Hi,

first u need to understand that this game is a PVP game - u get nothing for losing and all for winning (mostly).

that some ppl can get harsh if they check that u become a burden should be natural.
Tell me one pvp game where it is somethink else.

But i want to give u a last advice .. dont give a ****

greetings

[grumcajs]

dps wp doesnt suck at all , i invite any of you to 1 vs 1 me . (and again dont defend this by saying this is a zerg game and blah blah blah blah )

I bet shamies and SHs eat WPs 1v1 all the time. if u ever lose to melee class or tank 1v1 on dps WP you would be doing something horribly wrong (talking bout current t2).

Given same gear, WPs/DoKs aren't that hard if you are a good tank with high block/parry.

KotBS can easily beat DoK for sure. WPs are easy if you interrupt their Divine Assault (taunt ftw).

Shamans, DoKs and even Magus will beat a DPS WP (i used to :| a super twinked DPS WP with my Magus in T3).

AMs and SWs also :| DoKs. Probly Engies too.

Saw many WHs/WEs beating DoKs/WPs too.

In t3 magus is made up for killing dps WPs 1v1. or pretty much every class except AM. I remember PotW + BoC, snare, kb and IFoC were very devastating combination also IBs with Oathbound and Runic Shield dealt kinda nice vs. dps doks there. on engi it was all about survive till morale 2 and try to burst him in duration of UF and kd in melee range with close quarters slotted

[Boozy]

properly played and geared DPS WP at higher RR of T4 could beat pretty much anyone in duels

lol no...

I don't think you ever fought a decent DPS WP then which I wouldn't doubt as there was about 1 or 2 per server as no one actually played DPS WP or had the gear to field one, badlands had 1 good dps WP that was it just 1

[Joshwa70]

If a mdps us mad because u don't heal him... ask him why with group q he didn't bring a tank and heals. He seems like a burden to the sc needing someone to power his class for him. U can tank... heal... and dps for yourself while providing a buff fir the group.

[Penril]

properly played and geared DPS WP at higher RR of T4 could beat pretty much anyone in duels

lol no...

I don't think you ever fought a decent DPS WP then which I wouldn't doubt as there was about 1 or 2 per server as no one actually played DPS WP or had the gear to field one

DPS WPs rely on DA to stay alive.

Block = No heal.
Parry = No heal.
Absorb = No heal (pocket item from LotD).

Add to that a CD increaser like NiDF and DPS WPs are no problem. The only one who ever gave me trouble was Herby and that was when rr100 gear was INSANELY OP, he was rr100 and i was like 83. Once they nerfed that gear he went back to healing, and eventually dissapeared from the game.

[Boozy]

DPS WPs rely on DA to stay alive.

Block = No heal.
Parry = No heal.
Absorb = No heal (pocket item from LotD).

Add to that a CD increaser like NiDF and DPS WPs are no problem. The only one who ever gave me trouble was Herby and that was when rr100 gear was INSANELY OP, he was rr100 and i was like 83. Once they nerfed that gear he went back to healing, and eventually dissapeared from the game.

well to be fair I have no idea what went on after rr80 as I stopped playing before the release of the expansion so our experiences might be very different

[Azarael]

I feel sorry for the OP, but WP and DoK are, design-wise, failed classes.

They set out to make a class which would need to engage in actual combat to power its heals, and what did they do? Cripple that by giving it multi-attribute dependency and offering too many alternative sources that were not true, frontline combat to power the class's heals.

I'm rather sad that the original design team did not make the decision to prioritize making both classes work as they were originally intended to over viability at any cost by making healing with a book or chalice define the class. There was already a class in the game intended to be a pure healbot.

This though:

IF DEV WANTED BLACK ORC TO TANK ONLY OR WP TO HEAL ONLY THEY SHOULDNT HAVE GIVEN US THE OPTION TO DPS , AND PLZ DONT EVEN START WITH THAT PVE BULLCRAP .

is not true.

The specs are for making your class specialise more in a given playstyle. Ideally, all such playstyles would be viable; a DPS 2h tank should not be a joke, nor should a DPS WP spec be, but both should still retain some element of their basic archetypes while being viable. That means you aren't a DPS who can heal himself, you retain a duty of healing others and should be able to fulfill it.

Unfortunately, this point is heavily undermined by how the WP and DoK design actually punishes you if you go into the class wanting to fulfill a hybrid role.