Destro tank

[Tesq]

BG with ap drain can shut down 1 entire party damage , i would always pick 2 bg for my wb and BO for stat steal.

4ch-2bo-2bg it's the Best set up atm for me.

[Ghostweed]

Black Orc 4 Life Gitface!

[Joan]

I will continue maining a Black Orc even if it gets nerfed to the ground

[kintari]

SnB BGs are tailor made to support an MDPS buddy. I don't know what BOs excel at other than handing out immunities, or busting up a clump of enemies right before I magus bomb them.

In fairness, I'm sure Blorc is better than this, I just never played as one, so I can't tell you why you should roll one.

I do play BG though, and with the right dpsbot by your side, you can do work.

[Coryphaus]

I do play BG though, and with the right dpsbot by your side, you can do work.

indeed bg + 1 mdps can face roll just about any thing

Blorcs are really good when paired with choppa's cause or how tanky blorc is he can really absorb all the dmg that the choppa takes when hes running red, combine that with ws buff and stat steal wez bigger tough buff, unstoppable immunity provider

but still str + tough + wp buffs + heal on dmg on a 5 sec cd is petty good too

[Penril]

SnB BGs are tailor made to support an MDPS buddy. I don't know what BOs excel at other than handing out immunities, or busting up a clump of enemies right before I magus bomb them.

In fairness, I'm sure Blorc is better than this, I just never played as one, so I can't tell you why you should roll one.

I do play BG though, and with the right dpsbot by your side, you can do work.

You might be right if talking about T2. But in T4 BOs are way better than BGs for supporting mDPS. They can slot an AoE WS buff tactic that can buff his target up to +256 WS (and half that to the rest of his group in a 30ft range). While BGs have a better armor debuff, it requires 100 hatred so it can't be applied in the first seconds of a fight while the BOs can. And if you are guarding a Marauder, his armor debuff is the best one anyway. Also, Skull Thumper makes all crits do extra damage to a target. His Da Biggest! bellow will buff the melee train randomly, but it will be immediately applied to the group (instead of a BG having to swap his Dark Protector individually if he wants to buff all his group).

Finally, as many people have already pointed out, BG's AP increaser is not a big deal in T4 since you have a lot of ways to regain AP. NidF (CD increaser) is better against classes that like to spam certain skills *cough cough group heal*. And the nice thing is WPs can't cleanse it. The only thing BGs have over BOs when assisting a melee train is their superpunt which can remove enemy tanks, and their KD (if it is 4 or 5 secs).

In T4 BGs are best used for harassing healers. Stay on a RP and keep him outgoing heal debuffed and AP increased constantly (RPs can't cleanse Hexes!!).

[RyanMakara]

I am pretty sure right now and in T4 6 mans want Chosen>BG>BO

I can tell you why chosen is #1, but you will probably need someone else to tell you why BG>BO in t4. As of right now on the server in T2 I am pretty sure BG is better than BO in 6 mans thanks to 6? second KD and good armor/toughness debuffs. BO is more of a DPS tank I think, and people don't pick up tanks for groups to DPS.

Also just because chosen is better than BG doesn't mean you run 2 of them in a group, usually 1 chosen and 1 BG for the tank roles.

This is of course all in the scope of 6 mans, and has nothing to do w/ ORvR or 1v1 etc...

BG KD is 5 seconds, not 6 :^)
As for oRvR, 1v1 or duo ganking I'd rather roam with a BO.... Just feels better than BG when you know BGs are only effective if you get hit as DPS/Healer... Healers have the survivability and great healing when paired with a healer, but you'll be lacking DPS... also a DPS usually can't him himself alive if he's being shot down and the BG is only able to get a few group buffs in while fueled with Hate, BO is much the same from start to finish in a fight with DPS and group utility.

[Coryphaus]

You might be right if talking about T2. But in T4 BOs are way better than BGs for supporting mDPS. They can slot an AoE WS buff tactic that can buff his target up to +256 WS (and half that to the rest of his group in a 30ft range). While BGs have a better armor debuff, it requires 100 hatred so it can't be applied in the first seconds of a fight while the BOs can. And if you are guarding a Marauder, his armor debuff is the best one anyway. Also, Skull Thumper makes all crits do extra damage to a target. His Da Biggest! bellow will buff the melee train randomly, but it will be immediately applied to the group (instead of a BG having to swap his Dark Protector individually if he wants to buff all his group).

Finally, as many people have already pointed out, BG's AP increaser is not a big deal in T4 since you have a lot of ways to regain AP. NidF (CD increaser) is better against classes that like to spam certain skills *cough cough group heal*. And the nice thing is WPs can't cleanse it. The only thing BGs have over BOs when assisting a melee train is their superpunt which can remove enemy tanks, and their KD (if it is 4 or 5 secs).

In T4 BGs are best used for harassing healers. Stay on a RP and keep him outgoing heal debuffed and AP increased constantly (RPs can't cleanse Hexes!!).

but if you go No choppin me and KD then you dont have gork smash or not in da face or any real dmg from da brawler

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bo; ... :;;0:0:0:0:


and if you go da brawler to get GS and NiDF then you have no kd....

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bo; ... :;;0:0:0:0:

As for oRvR, 1v1 or duo ganking I'd rather roam with a BO.... Just feels better than BG when you know BGs are only effective if you get hit as DPS/Healer... Healers have the survivability and great healing when paired with a healer, but you'll be lacking DPS... also a DPS usually can't him himself alive if he's being shot down and the BG is only able to get a few group buffs in while fueled with Hate, BO is much the same from start to finish in a fight with DPS and group utility.

BG are very verstalie and they can take on pretty much any target

If you pair a healer with a healer it would make sense that you would have great survive and low dmg ?

BO's lack grp utility its one of the main flaws of the class

While i agree that BGs Armor debuff is better only with 100 hate, hate is not THAT hard to fill up fast espically with dp

Stat steal with da biggest is great and all but its not consistent with what stat(s) it steals

[ostrogoth182]

I've decided to go a black orc, they just seem more interesting and they look pretty cool

[Luuca]

Size queen.