Warband Leader's Mark is Broke - also, who cares?

[leftayparxoun]

Warband Leader must have earned Renown in the past 5 minutes

I have alot of experience with this game and seen some s**t, just based on it i can say that 5 minutes is nothing. Literally 1 wipe/release is enough for you to reset all the progress. This has to be updated for at least 10-15 minutes so the system will work and you gonna get your toptier rewards for 6h+ spend leading pug warbands.

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So I think it must be this 5 min timer that is causing issues. That really is no time when you consider how often a WB needs to pause to fill a spot, do relogs, switch zone, wait for a ram at the keep etc etc. If that is resetting the whole hour of progress it's not too much of a surprise that people are getting so few marks.

I'm not sure where the whole ''resets your progress'' idea started, but that's absolutely not what the wiki page is saying. According to it:


You earn a single point every 5 minutes. Two points when leading an open warband (for a total of 24/h as Rubius stated above).
If you fail any of the above described criteria you just lose out on that tick, but are eligible for earning points at any subsequent tick (after 5 m, 10 m, 15 m, etc) as long as you fulfil all required conditions at that time.

If that's the case (and there are currently no bugs involved) then the system seems fair and reasonable enough to me.
In an active warband you'll always be doing something every 5 minutes; participating in at least 1 kill, grabbing 1 BO or handing in 1 box are enough to give you the point at the 5 minute check.
The only cases I can think of where this won't be happening (5 min without ANY renown) in the rvr lake is if you are waiting in the Keep for the enemy to siege or if you are waiting near the warcamp for the enemy to engage you and they don't wanna do that. Both cases should be the exception and not the norm.

If there was a bug earlier and there is also a bug currently then that's a whole different issue, but the system as described in the wiki seems fair to me.

[nocturnalguest]

If you fail any of the above described criteria you just lose out on that tick, but are eligible for earning points at any subsequent tick (after 5 m, 10 m, 15 m, etc) as long as you fulfil all required conditions at that time.

Maybe bad wording ive used. By reset your progress i've meant that you cant earn your point (not that you fall down in tiers, lose points etc, i didnt mean or said it) failing that criteria. Hence people complain that they do alot of orvr and cant climp up tiers.

But cant agree with 5 mins being ok. Way too many situations where you gonna get reseted with such limited timeframe, plus rewards are meh as was mentioned. Instead of promoting fights over the map it may only promote stale back&forth farm (oi, falls at KV, cale bridge, praag MS, eataine mid bo etc) to get a mount.
Also changing this check and separating it with other 3 will do no harm imo.

Whats the point of the whole system? Is it to promote building pug/semiorganised warbands and involve more people into it? If so then i see no point of this being hard to grind to highest tier within 1-2 evenings. However folks post recently that they cant grind it out after 6h+ of orvr.

[Scragmuncher]

Warband Leader must have earned Renown in the past 5 minutes

I have alot of experience with this game and seen some s**t, just based on it i can say that 5 minutes is nothing. Literally 1 wipe/release is enough for you to reset all the progress. This has to be updated for at least 10-15 minutes so the system will work and you gonna get your toptier rewards for 6h+ spend leading pug warbands.

and

So I think it must be this 5 min timer that is causing issues. That really is no time when you consider how often a WB needs to pause to fill a spot, do relogs, switch zone, wait for a ram at the keep etc etc. If that is resetting the whole hour of progress it's not too much of a surprise that people are getting so few marks.

I'm not sure where the whole ''resets your progress'' idea started, but that's absolutely not what the wiki page is saying. According to it:


You earn a single point every 5 minutes. Two points when leading an open warband (for a total of 24/h as Rubius stated above).
If you fail any of the above described criteria you just lose out on that tick, but are eligible for earning points at any subsequent tick (after 5 m, 10 m, 15 m, etc) as long as you fulfil all required conditions at that time.

If that's the case (and there are currently no bugs involved) then the system seems fair and reasonable enough to me.
In an active warband you'll always be doing something every 5 minutes; participating in at least 1 kill, grabbing 1 BO or handing in 1 box are enough to give you the point at the 5 minute check.
The only cases I can think of where this won't be happening (5 min without ANY renown) in the rvr lake is if you are waiting in the Keep for the enemy to siege or if you are waiting near the warcamp for the enemy to engage you and they don't wanna do that. Both cases should be the exception and not the norm.

If there was a bug earlier and there is also a bug currently then that's a whole different issue, but the system as described in the wiki seems fair to me.

The 'reset your progress' is an assumption based on the fact that regaur wb leads are getting like 3 marks a week, some even less. Clearly something is wrong. That's literally what the post is about.

[Easysteps2]

I think the idea to reward PUG leaders is a great idea and well received by the community.

If the marks/points/currency were more transparent, it would be better. Also, if we could get smaller rewards (and everything costs more of course), that would also be better, similar to war crests. With war crests, every time you're in an rvr zone, you're rewarded (even in mail later), and it's a good feeling.

I've lead PUG warbands to a few locks now but haven't seen any indication that I've earned anything as well. I just thought it was bugged.

[Rubius]

I'm not sure where the whole ''resets your progress'' idea started, but that's absolutely not what the wiki page is saying. According to it:


You earn a single point every 5 minutes. Two points when leading an open warband (for a total of 24/h as Rubius stated above).
If you fail any of the above described criteria you just lose out on that tick, but are eligible for earning points at any subsequent tick (after 5 m, 10 m, 15 m, etc) as long as you fulfil all required conditions at that time.

If that's the case (and there are currently no bugs involved) then the system seems fair and reasonable enough to me.
In an active warband you'll always be doing something every 5 minutes; participating in at least 1 kill, grabbing 1 BO or handing in 1 box are enough to give you the point at the 5 minute check.
The only cases I can think of where this won't be happening (5 min without ANY renown) in the rvr lake is if you are waiting in the Keep for the enemy to siege or if you are waiting near the warcamp for the enemy to engage you and they don't wanna do that. Both cases should be the exception and not the norm.

If there was a bug earlier and there is also a bug currently then that's a whole different issue, but the system as described in the wiki seems fair to me.

Yes, Left is spot-on here.

The system doesn't remove your points if you die or reset all your progress if you happen to be taking a 5-minute break in a keep or at your warcamp. It just wants you to be actively doing something that earns your warband renown every 5 minutes.

As an example, if you do take a couple 5 minute breaks each hour for your warband and miss the points for those windows, you're still getting 20-22 points for the hour assuming you were active and taking BOs / getting renown during engages for the rest of that hour.

For last week's calculations and for the current week's, we 100% know there's been an issue with the RvR lakes not counting players properly as of the latest patch. (This is also what causes AAO to get very wonky, as we've seen.) This bug would definitely block point gains and may have been impacting leaders already, so now that the requirements are public on the wiki, players can help let us know if the payout they're getting doesn't match what the Wiki says as we go forward.

[Scragmuncher]

I'm not sure where the whole ''resets your progress'' idea started, but that's absolutely not what the wiki page is saying. According to it:


You earn a single point every 5 minutes. Two points when leading an open warband (for a total of 24/h as Rubius stated above).
If you fail any of the above described criteria you just lose out on that tick, but are eligible for earning points at any subsequent tick (after 5 m, 10 m, 15 m, etc) as long as you fulfil all required conditions at that time.

If that's the case (and there are currently no bugs involved) then the system seems fair and reasonable enough to me.
In an active warband you'll always be doing something every 5 minutes; participating in at least 1 kill, grabbing 1 BO or handing in 1 box are enough to give you the point at the 5 minute check.
The only cases I can think of where this won't be happening (5 min without ANY renown) in the rvr lake is if you are waiting in the Keep for the enemy to siege or if you are waiting near the warcamp for the enemy to engage you and they don't wanna do that. Both cases should be the exception and not the norm.

If there was a bug earlier and there is also a bug currently then that's a whole different issue, but the system as described in the wiki seems fair to me.

Yes, Left is spot-on here.

The system doesn't remove your points if you die or reset all your progress if you happen to be taking a 5-minute break in a keep or at your warcamp. It just wants you to be actively doing something that earns your warband renown every 5 minutes.

As an example, if you do take a couple 5 minute breaks each hour for your warband and miss the points for those windows, you're still getting 20-22 points for the hour assuming you were active and taking BOs / getting renown during engages for the rest of that hour.

For last week's calculations and for the current week's, we 100% know there's been an issue with the RvR lakes not counting players properly as of the latest patch. (This is also what causes AAO to get very wonky, as we've seen.) This bug would definitely block point gains and may have been impacting leaders already, so now that the requirements are public on the wiki, players can help let us know if the payout they're getting doesn't match what the Wiki says as we go forward.

Thanks for the update. Glad to hear it's just a known bug.