¨Join Solo¨ and ¨Join Group¨

[Wraithedge]

As was made abundantly clear before. We are testing the group que. We are all testing it and we are expected to give our feedback in a style that will give the developers something to work with in honing the experience to one that meets the needs of the many with what tools are available.

And I am all for that. I say test and test some more. I encourage the feedback to be plentiful and detailed. What was the ratio? What was the action like? Did you meet a premade? Have you met lots of different ones or the same few over and over? How long were the matches? What was the score? How did you feel about the experience? If it went bad, when did it seem certain?

There are probably other questions that can reveal details useful to the devs in the crafting of the que system but make no mistake ladies and gents, it is your accurate and detailed feedback that determines just how long the que system stays broken and to what degree it becomes anything you might enjoy.

Having said that....

Perhaps we should not pretend that this...

soon or later solo players will stop queueing in to SCs, leaving SCs for premades only

bad premades will cry about good premades and will stop queing, then good premades will get bored fighting each other all the time and bye pvp

isn't a thing. Just something to consider for when the testing is done.

[Forbiddian]

i also have a bright wizard and a squig herder....

queue solo should face solo player, player base is not high but 100% of players play here for the pvp, or do you think its becouse the pve? how come with 200/300 online there arent enough premades to fight each other ?

and if there arent is beocuse ppl want to chill playing for a couple or hours without organizing something serious its what SCs are implemented for, if you have a full premade go open rvr and own the whole map

and still i dont understand why premades dont want na only parties SC for them so they can face other premades

[jbrutal]

these 2 things ¨Join Solo¨ and ¨Join Group¨ get separated in almost every game for good reason

[Ghostweed]

@OP

+1, its unfair and it made me leave the Live. At the end, our guild was only doing 6 man premades, 7th/8th guy logged in -> "hey, u got unlucky, no room for u in SC group -> tryied to join solo -:> aaand its 2 premades vs. 1 premade + pug -> lost, waste of time -> ok, quit the game and lets play something more pug friendly -> canceled my sub, never came back...

(actually going through the same problems even now - u get in 1st SC party or u are destined to go rouge as there never was a 2nd SC party)

[titoos]

It doesn't matter if he's a DPS AM or not, the class balance isn't implemented like it was in Live.

Was it? In t2? really? :->

Since Destruction only roll premades (scared of a challenge I guess), this will eventually cause Order to reroll - causing further imbalance and longer queue times.

We roll premades because we can, cause its fun, and yea, because its the most efficient way to play. Dont expect Destro, or anyone, to go solo just because you cant get organized.

[Druin]

Premade vs. Premade
PUG vs. PUG

The queue system is not advanced enough to balance classes (tanks/healers), so this is how it should be developed.

It's actually possible to impelement class balance.

[wargrimnir]

- disclaimer - my following opinions do not reflect the development or mindset of RoR

I'm not good enough, or really interested in running with an organized group. I don't pay attention to called targets, my healing is moderate at best and takes a lot of focus on not hitting my damage buttons. I don't care about farming for awesome gear or grinding the AH for hundreds of gold. BiS is a like some unicorn that doesn't exist. Seems like I'm never near my team and I run head first into the other team to die instantly. When I am near my team, I'm the reason we're not winning a fight and it's clear to see for everyone else but myself.

I don't care much for the opinions of other people, and killing is fun. Whether it's on a dps shammy, or a dps chosen, or an assault stance sw, or whatever other awful dps spec is out there that's not the most efficient. Maybe I want to see how crazy high damage numbers I can get with my slayer and I just run headfirst into a team spamming aoe. It's stupid, but sometimes it works and it's fun.

You know what all of that doesn't work with? Premades.

Tell me, oh ye pathetic pugs, is it not painfully obvious when you enter a scenario where a premade is going to pubstomp you so hard you just afk at spawn for a couple minutes? After the first engagement, the battle is over and who is really trying? I experience this rather often. Better to drop out of queue until the premade gets its fill of pug blood. Either that or lose and feed their ego, match after match, by margins of 400 points or more.

I can't stand playing after a couple matches like that, when it's clear one premade can just wreck the morale of an entire faction into not queueing at all. Feels bad, man. Maybe it's just the US hours that I play on, where most of the EU crowd has started to slip off the servers, but when one side starts losing badly, scenarios stop, or it's a bloodbath. That's only good for one side.

tldr; group q is cancer, solo q 4 lyfe + quitter debuff

[Tiggo]

just had the oposite discussion. claiming there no destro premades ... guess its all personal experience

[Jayzboi]

No.....

I like to solo que and fight agianst premades. Just because you got a premade running, doesnt mean you will win vs pugs. All pugs arent bad

[Tiggo]

- disclaimer - my following opinions do not reflect the development or mindset of RoR

so what you basically saying: you dont care how you play, you dont care about your team, you dont even know how to play, all is indifferent for you. but still what you care about is that you lose against premade but not another people with the same "i dont care, i dont know, i cant" mindset?

if THAT is the mindset of pug players, yes please let those people play amongst themselves rolling their head over the keyboard.