AM the undisputed worst healer: A discussion

[balvor877]

AM can heal when played by skilled ppl with a proper setup. If you are a yolo playing with randoms will heal for **** and die a lot...

In that vid both are top guilds, still one am managed to outheal wps => made 2x healing than shaman and 2x healing than the other AM...

You can check cimba am vids if need to learn how to play am in small scale.

It's just not worth the effort... I gave up my AM healer for now because my WP is a powerhouse compared to it with all the goodies and medium armor. WP can heal under pressure and not only himself but also the whole group. Heal AM is rubbish in my eyes. People who are defending heal AMs haven't played a WP yet.

[zumos2]

AM can heal when played by skilled ppl with a proper setup. If you are a yolo playing with randoms will heal for **** and die a lot...

In that vid both are top guilds, still one am managed to outheal wps => made 2x healing than shaman and 2x healing than the other AM...

You can check cimba am vids if need to learn how to play am in small scale.

It's just not worth the effort... I gave up my AM healer for now because my WP is a powerhouse compared to it with all the goodies and medium armor. WP can heal under pressure and not only himself but also the whole group. Heal AM is rubbish in my eyes. People who are defending heal AMs haven't played a WP yet.

Healing power of AM is not their problem at all. And I can say that with my WP as main. Survivability and their lack of a tool to give AP to the group are their real issues.

[BluIzLucky]

instead of removing something from the wp for example why dont you increase your skill lvl cause on destro side i see so many shamans with fury of da green having more healing than the doks and zealots and practise energy of vaul for having even bigger heals in citys and in wbs. Classes are kinda similar to eachother and that means that if the shaman can outheal a dok that also means the am playing properly can outheal the wp give a thought to that.

Except..
1) AMs are considered the easiest target and Shams are (even after run nerf) not..
Do you go for the target known for being the worst and most vulnerable healer or the one known to kite half a warband?
2) Leaping SH are core to most wbs, WLs and MSW are (currently) not, and if they were they are not as tanky so have less leeway to overextend.
3) DSU vs FE for self defense not sure what's better 1 tick of 300-1200 heal every 13 sec or hot + toughness, but I know what's better at keep the group alive on the run..
4) Choppa and BOs are very popular and have more reliant cooldown decreasers, compared to SM which are the least popular, making FodG > EoV
5) 'Ere We Go! > Radiant Gaze, not only far better utility and dmg, but easily a skill you'd want to use as healer.

So.. Shammies has more survivability, less desire to target, less actual attackers, less deadly attackers (idk my guess), better on the move heals, better utility and waaaaay better mechanic balancers (less FodG cooldown and EWG vs 5 sec cd on EoV).
I'm more than happy to trade some of that for worse 1AM v 1 SHA.. if that's where AM shines.. lol

So yeah.. they are only really comparable in PvE.. or in perfect conditions (timing WW and not getting focused and when you do getting guarded)

*** But hey.. I'm not a xrealmer so I can't really speak to the Shaman experience

[taquete]

Fury of da Green and EoV might be mirror abilities, but shamans ability to kite an entire warband makes it way WAY more powerful in that class than in AMs, so you cant really compare them without looking at the entire picture.

[Sulorie]

Fury of da Green and EoV might be mirror abilities, but shamans ability to kite an entire warband makes it way WAY more powerful in that class than in AMs, so you cant really compare them without looking at the entire picture.

Nobody kites warbands, quit this hyperbolic nonsense.
Stating this as order player only means your warband is full of people watching TV, while their chars are cultivating.

[taquete]

Fury of da Green and EoV might be mirror abilities, but shamans ability to kite an entire warband makes it way WAY more powerful in that class than in AMs, so you cant really compare them without looking at the entire picture.

Nobody kites warbands, quit this hyperbolic nonsense.
Stating this as order player only means your warband is full of people watching TV, while their chars are cultivating.

Ok
Now let ppl that actually play order comment.

[Sulorie]

Nobody kites warbands, quit this hyperbolic nonsense.
Stating this as order player only means your warband is full of people watching TV, while their chars are cultivating.

Ok
Now let ppl that actually play order comment.
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Yeah, in the case you really want to kill a single shaman with a warband, which is in itself rather pathetic, unless it's the last survivor of a WB fight, you could use your plethora of anti kite skills to catch the shaman.

[emiliorv]

Fury of da Green and EoV might be mirror abilities, but shamans ability to kite an entire warband makes it way WAY more powerful in that class than in AMs, so you cant really compare them without looking at the entire picture.

If a full wb is kited by 1 player they really deserve being kited around the whole map.

[taquete]

So everyone is dicussing if they can or cant kite an entire wb rather than the point in my post stating that FodG is way more powerful in a kiting class as is the shaman than EoV in a pooperly designed class as is the AM

Nice way to change the topic

[Sulorie]

So everyone is dicussing if they can or cant kite an entire wb rather than the point in my post stating that FodG is way more powerful in a kiting class as is the shaman than EoV in a pooperly designed class as is the AM

Nice way to change the topic

You make it sound as if a shaman slots run away in a warband during city siege because only there and at similar funnels the Skill is most effective. It won't save you if being alone and getting pushed by a warband or even a competent group.