Statement current exploits

[Luth]

I can't get over people thinking that wasn't the very first thing we thought of...

I'm gonna hide all my high level gear on low level chars. Devs will never find out.
And after this, i create several destro chars and play them all the time, so they think "Oh look, this guy is serious destro player".
And all my gold will be secured by using the dye vendor over and over ... oh wait ...

[Druin]

Really guys the devs know about the problems you are mentioning. They are NOT stupid.

[Naraes]

Yes. It's a vicious cycle.

[Luth]

Anyway ppl here are ignorant or they playing dumb in purpose! You all knew the duplicate bug from begging...How ppl giving away free medallions? Because they are nice and kind? No coz they had 65k+ medallions...

Azarael wrote about an item duplication exploit. I'm pretty sure this not the medallion exploit.

[sotora]

I support decisions of wipe. Even item wipe if deemed necessary.

I just want to ask - will this be done in matter of days or rather weeks?

[Monkeegod]

Although it is never fun to be the subject of a wipe of any sort, it's even less fun to have to be the person who decides it is necessary.

This sounds like a reasonable action to take in light of the issue - while I will miss the gold I'm building towards right now, I wholeheartedly support the Dev's decision.

[Azarael]

I just want to ask - will this be done in matter of days or rather weeks?

When we've fixed the issues. No sense in doing anything before that.

[Rsoe]

The thing is farmers will be dependant on drops. Whatever price they set for an item the exploiters can either undercut or buy out to corner the market with their exploited goods. Because the famrers depend on rng they cannot control what they put on the market. There will be certain items that dont drop and stay inordinately high that the exploiters will be able to make huge profits on. The farmers will be selling lower due to the exploiters being in control of the system and buying higher for things that dont drop. So the exploiters can constantly take profits out of the that arrangement. Its profiteering just like in real world economies during times of reduced supply.

Agreed, again theoretically. In this scenario the exploiters are required to start out with more buy-ability than others, they could easily farm some g and start buying out the items, but then again that is sadly a possibility for all. Another option is ofc to sell some of their items cheaper but then reduce demand.

Exploiters would some how need to monitor AH 24/7 as lower priced gear will most likely sell faster than BQ for 500g. The farmers are not dependant on AH, unlike the real first world, trading economy and freebies are lot more common during times of reduced supply(I am not the only dealing mainly in this field).

RoR seems to be a more monitored enviroment, and the transperancy between seller and buyer is better in regards of the information flow, ex. the medallions warning. The current discussion is kind of warning. Selling never dropping items is a alarm clock.

Nice discussion btw^^

[Rsoe]

To discuss some of the points raised by the previous pages:

- There is no way to compromise when there's exploited gold in the system. I've mentioned this before. If you have lots of money, you either farmed it manually in the alpha (more fool you, it's an alpha), you exploited it or you bought and sold in the climate of inflation and need to respect that what you have is mostly exploited gold.

- May I remind certain players to stop taking it out on the staff for what exploiters have done. I know we're the big bad staff who are planning to take action that some of you may not like, and we're obvious, named targets in contrast to the nameless exploiters who are hiding like the bottom feeders they are, but we are not the ones responsible for this situation.

- Some of you are saying that there's a way to dodge having to take action against items. You're wrong for multiple reasons:

• - There's an item duplication exploit, which already puts paid to the integrity of items as well as gold. Yes, we know about this one too. No, it's not the gold exploit.
• - Players are putting their gold into items to vend after the wipe, and T2 will do absolutely nothing to rectify this (seriously, how stupid do you think we are not to realize that players are doing this?)

This thread is rapidly turning into a rerun of the previous locked thread, and what's more, players are still trying to tell us things that we already know and not considering that we actually might know more than they do.

Hi im sorry if my post offended you in anyway. I was not trying to take it out on the staff, nor was i trying to make you look stupid or tell you something you already know. It was merely an attempt to share my thoughts on the topic.

//Xiu

[Azarael]

I don't recall you having done or said anything offensive