Patch Notes 04/01/2020
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Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020
I love the daemonclaw changes. It opens up builds for SnB and adds incentive to guard for both SnB and 2H chosen.
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Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020
I'm not so sure about s/b possibilities with this. Ravage is in the quake line, but 3 sec knockdown and mixed defenses tactic is in a separate line. You would sacrifice a lot of utility/decreased base damage on ravage to get daemonclaw. Which line could you live without?
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Order - Most dishonorable
Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020
Before this patch I ran a half dread full discord build with SnB (with a Bloodlord blade) so that is how I’d run a more aggressive build. Ive also tried more defensive/support build with full corruption and half dread. Seems to work well in group play for guarding and assisting.Detangler wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:16 pmI'm not so sure about s/b possibilities with this. Ravage is in the quake line, but 3 sec knockdown and mixed defenses tactic is in a separate line. You would sacrifice a lot of utility/decreased base damage on ravage to get daemonclaw. Which line could you live without?
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Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020
With all due respect, No. The community is not here "for the ride". The community is the very environment, the active catalyst, that acknowledges and therefore validates or invalidates the actions your take as devs / managers / designers / and lets not forget also players of this project. Without the natural ecosystem of a community, your actions would just be a contained ricochet in a static and enclosed echo chamber of a few people trying stuff in a vacuum amongst themselves. Respecting the community that respects your work, goes through accepting and respecting this fact.wargrimnir wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:49 pm The community is here for the ride, good, bad, or weird.
Now to the patch itself. My main is renown rank 84 Chosen. I will not repeat the absolutely valid points made about the redundancy of introducing a spirit dmg tactic into an already heavy spirit dmg producing class/spec, nor will I whine about the demonclaw change. If you needed to change it, fine. I would like to make a couple of points though.
1) Making it proc off of just parry, produces a large antithesis in its effect. It makes 90% of fights against melee, a walk in the park for the 2h chosen, while for 100% of the fights against ranged/magic users, a 12 point in Dread tactic is rendered entirely useless. If your intent was to urge people to stop slotting it, remove it yourselves. If not, instead of a 100% proc off of a parry, make it a 50% (or less if you deem it too strong) proc off of a parry / dodge / disrupt.
2) Since 2016 when I started playing this game in this server, I thoroughly followed the discussions in this forum and I recall a recurring position about "not making changes about issues affecting just solo or 1v1 gameplay". We saw that argumentation popping up with blatantly broken stuff like the no internal cd riposte. These changes mainly to the chosen but (to an extend) to the kotbs also , affect just that. Mainly solo players using a mainly solo spec. Obvious comment is obvious.
Thanks for your work and effort.
Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020
Detangler wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:16 pmI'm not so sure about s/b possibilities with this. Ravage is in the quake line, but 3 sec knockdown and mixed defenses tactic is in a separate line. You would sacrifice a lot of utility/decreased base damage on ravage to get daemonclaw. Which line could you live without?
RoR.builders - Chosen looks like it might be a decent high level build for S&B. RoR.builders - Chosen might also be an interesting (if not exactly optimal) way to go...

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Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020
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Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020
Speaking as someone playing snb dps- absorb is a must, Backlash is a must for dps, Quickened Discord is better then Daemonclaw in whatever version or the new tactic, and Flawless Armor I will take over Mixed defenses for pvp any day. Also, HtL+Quake is the main reason to go dps with snb.Skullgrin wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:30 pmDetangler wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:16 pmI'm not so sure about s/b possibilities with this. Ravage is in the quake line, but 3 sec knockdown and mixed defenses tactic is in a separate line. You would sacrifice a lot of utility/decreased base damage on ravage to get daemonclaw. Which line could you live without?
RoR.builders - Chosen looks like it might be a decent high level build for S&B. RoR.builders - Chosen might also be an interesting (if not exactly optimal) way to go...
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Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020
Another terrible nerf to the knight? Embrace the imbalance of the game, no mirrors is what makes this the best pvp game ever. Stop breaking classes and just work on the content which we all love and appreciate but these class changes are so bad you are going to drive away players which I doubt is the goal.
All of order currently accepts that the meatball squig is broken, mara pull so much better than WL, shaman is and always has been too OP but when you attempt to fix stuff that isnt broken it really is extremely frustrating.
Thank you for resurrecting a game that we all loved but please stop fixing it.
All of order currently accepts that the meatball squig is broken, mara pull so much better than WL, shaman is and always has been too OP but when you attempt to fix stuff that isnt broken it really is extremely frustrating.
Thank you for resurrecting a game that we all loved but please stop fixing it.
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Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020
IMO warped flesh and backlash are not necessities at high gear/rr. Especially backlash who’s damage doesn’t scale. That should free up at least one tactic for daemonclaw.Zxul wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:13 pm
Speaking as someone playing snb dps- absorb is a must, Backlash is a must for dps, Quickened Discord is better then Daemonclaw in whatever version or the new tactic, and Flawless Armor I will take over Mixed defenses for pvp any day. Also, HtL+Quake is the main reason to go dps with snb.
Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020
Warped Flesh is needed unless you have a dedicated healer (not happening most of the time unless you are in premade), Backlash without scaling does a better dmg than what you will get out of other options (assuming you are getting attacked)- also, as a snb dps, your str isn't high anyway so scaling matters less.anrix wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:38 pmIMO warped flesh and backlash are not necessities at high gear/rr. Especially backlash who’s damage doesn’t scale. That should free up at least one tactic for daemonclaw.Zxul wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:13 pm
Speaking as someone playing snb dps- absorb is a must, Backlash is a must for dps, Quickened Discord is better then Daemonclaw in whatever version or the new tactic, and Flawless Armor I will take over Mixed defenses for pvp any day. Also, HtL+Quake is the main reason to go dps with snb.
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