Sm/Bo talk only!!!!!

[Coryphaus]

Honestly their no point to the armor buff as blorcs already have we iz bigger that already buffs your grps armor

it makes both abilities redundant

[Penril]

no da greenest does not buff armor AND resists it buffs armor OR resists

its based on the type of dmg inflicted

Also it dosnt matter if it procs those tactics as those tatics are no where near as good as other tactics available to blorcs and is furthermore never run late game

It can buff all at the same time. Just gotta be attacked by those damage types AND be lucky enough to proc DG on all.

[jojomen]

Hello Azarael, here i i'll post changes that i would like to see in game and hope u all like them as much as i do.
We all know same classes not so good like others and had gimped abilities or skills in path tree placed by S` Inquisition.


BLACK ORC - people play them not because they are powerful or party need them.
But because they are GReen,BLACK and ORCS let's change that and make them almost useful as KobTs or IB.
1) We can make "war bellows" in party buffs - auras just like chosen had (but war bellows on teammates work without a chance to proc any BO tactic that he has equiped on him ATM);
2) "Rock`ard" skill from tree Path of da Boss mirror of SM skill "Protection of Hoeth" but SM can use it without target and spam it anytime,just make the same tooltip and skill form SMs for BO;
3) "We`zbigger" armor buff from Path of da Boss, just make it AOE damage without targeting anything to apply buff.



SWORDMASTER - same goes for SMs, because all of us know how people call SMs class when no SM around (-_-) AKa "SELFISH", no party buffs not even utility for guarded one all of skills had only one purpose to save ass of sm and after that kill anyone who tried to hurt his-ass.
1) Just like for BO make Blade Enchantments in aura skills;
2) "Aethiryc Armor" (400 armor+5%disrupt) mirror of "We`zbigger",known most SELFISH skill for SMs -just make it in 20 sec buff for whole party. (force SMs to push some buttons when they are waiting for procs from "blade enchants").
3) "Eagle Flight" we all know how SMs hate dat skill (parry buff 25% for 5 sec),but we cant waste all of our AP bar and time on that.
If we look at other tanks they had parry buffs UPtime 10-20 sec and thats alot for pvp and rvr Just look at CHOSEN :"1" "Suppression" +25%parry for 15sec, "2" tactic of chosens "Mixed Defenses" 25% parry for 5sec after block but that proc from tactic which i can undestand 5 duration for passiv with no APcost.( and it's already whole 50% to parry -"DAT NOT SELFFISH CHOSEN u think?"
Lets make "Eagle Flight" in party buff for 5sec 25% for whole party, just like Black orc had "Savin` Me Hide" -20% incoming magic damage for party for 4s.


BLACKGUARD - if we start to talk about disbalance in usefulness of tanks - lets to be fair IB mirror of BG had 6 buffs,absorbation skill,ap regen skill for his "Oath friend": (+75str+10%crit chance),(+50initiative+25%parry),(+600 armor),(+75str+75willpower),(+75 toughness) and that not all of them,when BG for his "DARK Protector had only str+willpowerbuff.
Mythic said IB to be-BuffTank and BG-deBuff Tank, but if we look into IB skills He has almost all of deBuffs from BG (-armor,Healing deBuff, enemy crit chance reduction,couple of snaring skills) so when IB had Buffs+deBuffs, BG had only deBuffs with no way to buff his "Dark Protector", maybe in 1vs1 Ib and Bg on equal grounds but if it would be 2vs2 we sure know who has upper hand.

1)"Shield of rage" basic spam absorb skill for all of BGs, just make it apply to "Dark Protector" for 1/2 of original effectiveness.(anyway IB can use his absorb "RUNIC SHEILD" at his "Oath friend" so why we cant let BG do the same?)
2)"Terrifying Foe" tactic form Path of Loathing which gives Bg buff their own toughness for 15%/30%/45%, just make it apply to "Dark Protector" only for 5sec.
3)"Force of fury" (armor buff+ crit reduction)skill from Path of Loathing,again make it apply to "DP" for 1/2 of original effectiveness.



White Lion - yep it's strange to talk about HIM, because some people say they are Useless others cry about how OP they are.
1)Heal-deBUff,all other melee DPS classes had it without even puting any points in Skill Path tree.
Lets Switch places of skills(like you did for SM\BO KDs) in Path of Axeman "Thin the herd" put in 5 points slot,"Primal fury" 9 points slot, "Cull the weak" 13 points slot and all of WLs will had their Heal-deBuff.
2)"Pounce" no other class in game didn't have sach mobility to begin with, its breaking game rules to jump on walls of keeps and gates without even CD;
To get that OP skill you only need to put 5 points in Path of hunter ,it's disbalancing early game so much no healer t2-t3 can do a thing when WL flying to him and again jump away;Suggestion put "Pounce" on CD in 5 sec and swap to 9 points slot.


P.S.Can we add auto-attack for Magus? we all know they are little bit weaker than Engee. (BOOM-STICK)

[Rebuke]

I take it that the Knockdown ability shift to 9pts in mastery tree is the only "buff" SM/BO will get till rank 40 T4 is implemented? I thought I read somewhere that alterations to careers was going to be openly discussed but all posts proposing changes end up in topics >12 tabs with no result whatsoever, what is the way of approach regarding this aspect?

[Azarael]

It's a combination of people posting so many varied ideas (some of them very bad) that discussion just dies, people disagreeing that BO needs any buffs (making the idea of buffing SM alone very risky, see: Order Bias!), not having a test server upon which we can get decent groups at rank 40 to experiment with ideas and lack of support for making major changes prior to T4.

[Tesq]

Couz Da greenest can buf RESISts and armor in same time , but aura of chosen ONLy resists
and "Da greenest" can proc 2 tactics which do procs when BO under attack ( 200 damage return+200 hp HoT), no need to grant permanent effect to Da greenest just make it party buff for 6 ppl .

no need to leave that way, those tactics will proc the same 25% of times even if resistence get buff x3 instead x1

ppl must understand that resistence buff it's not something op, it's sometime base and require for a party set up.

Resistence alredy have a low cap and can easily debuffed so if BO could buff them better it would became an alterative to chosen.

[Silvertusk]

people disagreeing that BO needs any buffs (making the idea of buffing SM alone very risky, see: Order Bias!)

So people think that the boss tree is fine, what about Waaagh ability? dont think a single soul ever specs for that one
or what about More Hardcore? why IB has access to a tactic with aoe punt + snare while having a core st long punt?
why BO cant have the alternative?(and again worse: bos tactic is 11 points IB is 7! and for aoe snare have to slot another tactic) core aoe punt and specable st long punt? Is it so unbalanced for a BO to have these tools while for IB is not?

SM needs similar things ofc.

[Rebuke]

It's a combination of people posting so many varied ideas (some of them very bad) that discussion just dies, people disagreeing that BO needs any buffs (making the idea of buffing SM alone very risky, see: Order Bias!), not having a test server upon which we can get decent groups at rank 40 to experiment with ideas and lack of support for making major changes prior to T4.

Some points I can help with (rounding up some active swordmasters and proposing/testing small scale improvements), but the most important ones (Lack of testserver and non-unanimous developer stance regarding buffs) I can not.

Thanks for the reply though, I shall bide my time.

[Coryphaus]

people disagreeing that BO needs any buffs (making the idea of buffing SM alone very risky, see: Order Bias!)

So people think that the boss tree is fine, what about Waaagh ability? dont think a single soul ever specs for that one
or what about More Hardcore? why IB has access to a tactic with aoe punt + snare while having a core st long punt?
why BO cant have the alternative?(and again worse: bos tactic is 11 points IB is 7! and for aoe snare have to slot another tactic) core aoe punt and specable st long punt? Is it so unbalanced for a BO to have these tools while for IB is not?

SM needs similar things ofc.

While I agree with you I do want to point out that ib and blorcs are not mirrors so it's not right to compare the 2

[Silvertusk]

Iam fully aware of that, But still the tools for BOs are there but for some reason gimped to medium distance etc
I dont know why the IB/BG archetype should be so well developed and BO/SM should be almost forced to 1 spec (dps)