Shaman builds, RR, etc.

[Qwack]

This is what I would run for pure heals...
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sha ... :5306:5317:
The M4 is actually really solid and good for keep defences. Puddle is amazing, and the other abilities are solid. Don't spam the toughness hot.

I haven't done DPS yet, but if I did:

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sha ... 305:5306:0:
The toughness debuff is stellar, still gets the puddle, and you have a heal debuff. The puddle also doubles up as a Resist debuff meaning you can do some pretty potent damage to a fully debuffed target.

In LIve I tested and tried every conceivable spec (some were laughable). The above is the build I currently use for DPS T3 in SCs. For T4 SCs you can add the Ere We Go Again tactic which doubles Ere We go for the entire group. For T3/T4 ORVR drop Hurts Don't It for Run Away tactic. I rarely use Run Away for SCs, but will slot it if too many White Lions are on the opposition. If too many Witch Hunters's are in the opposition, I will instead use Get Out of Here tactic which reduces the timer on your AE knockback by 40 seconds.

In ORVR its far more critical to maintain movement over damage. Thus Ere We Go, which is an insta, is more important than the great debuffs from Hurt's Don't It.

DPS on a Shammy is not easy. Its not like an AM which effectively has 4 insta DoTs. The real trick to DPS on a Shammy is debuffing. So it takes more time to setup your rotation verse other classes. Your DPS simply isn't going to be like a Sorc or Squiggy. You trade DPS for Survivability, Utility and soft Heals. However, the Shammy is a hella fun class to play and the best in ORVR.

[Minerva]

I gave you a reason. Your argumentation is wrong. I just didn't say so in plain language.

As for the tactic I wouldn't necessarily use it right now but in T4 it can be a game changer.
The main advantage of this tactic is that it makes the "small heal" actually sustainable for clutch situations, giving your target the time to get away from danger/ get a guard / the casts of the second healer to come through, and then you can go back to AoE/Boon.

The biggest problem for AM's are the cast times, and that tactics takes the edge off a little bit.

There is no solution to overextending/ getting caught, as for reasources with the AP tactic I usually don't have any problems (as an AM ofc). We'll see how it's going to be in T4, tbh I don't remeber plus there are going to be changes implemented, so we just have to wait

Sorry if the explanation is a bit crude, I had my wall of text eaten by the logout timer and I had to retype it all again, the previous version was much more coherent

[Gobtar]

In LIve I tested and tried every conceivable spec (some were laughable)...

I remember you telling me about all the crazy builds you want to try, also chatted with you lots about hybrid specs. I was just happy you weren't on your SnB IB (I think you were the only scary SnB IB) cause that meant you weren't giving Kruel, and me a hard time.


Thanks for your thoughts here!

[Jaycub]

Do you guys think DPS shaman will ever get buffed? Or will the def gobbo tactics get in the way?

There is a reason there is 6 million DPS AM and like 2 DPS shamans on the server :^)

[Qwack]

Do you guys think DPS shaman will ever get buffed? Or will the def gobbo tactics get in the way?

There is a reason there is 6 million DPS AM and like 2 DPS shamans on the server :^)

I think it will. The devs and balance mods seem really sincere about balance. The Shaman has 2 insta DoTs. The AM has 4. That alone is reason enough to buff the Shammy DPS. The list is much longer though.

[Gobtar]

Do you guys think DPS shaman will ever get buffed? Or will the def gobbo tactics get in the way?

There is a reason there is 6 million DPS AM and like 2 DPS shamans on the server :^)

I have faith that the devs will make every class viable, so yes, I believe the lifetap and DPS specs will eventually be addressed for the shaman.

@ Minerva: A statement declaring an arguement is wrong with no points, or counters is not a substitute for a valid argument. It would be helpful to everyone that when you see a statement or claim is false to provide arguments to counter, rather than just flatly declare something is false. No one will take you seriously as long as your stance is "nuh uh, cause I say so"

AM do not have problems with AP this largely due to wild healing (possibly in conjunction with Resto Burst). As for Desperation, the AM can make fuller use of this tactic with Funnel Essence, a mediocre ability normally, this AM ability can "save someone" with its on demand application. Shaman has to rely on his heals hopefully going off at the right moment or lucky hot ticks.

@Future-Qwack: No word from Kruel, he took all his videos down, closed his account, deleted his blog (which he was using for other games). Escha like-wise is a no show. Skavok, Valnak, and Carso are around here, but that's it for DN crowd.

[Qwack]

In LIve I tested and tried every conceivable spec (some were laughable)...

I remember you telling me about all the crazy builds you want to try, also chatted with you lots about hybrid specs. I was just happy you weren't on your SnB IB (I think you were the only scary SnB IB) cause that meant you weren't giving Kruel, and me a hard time.


Thanks for your thoughts here!

Ya chatting and trying new things on "tookit" type classes is fun. I was just thinking of Kruel yesterday, any word if he is or will play?

[Minerva]

No one will take you seriously as long as your stance is "nuh uh, cause I say so"

Where do I say that exactly? Quote pls.
I gave the reason why the argument is invalid, and then I followed it up with further explanation because aparently my point did not get through.

U can take me seriously or not, I rly don't care, I'm not rly a serious person. U can follow my advice or not, ur toons, ur time, ur business.

[Gobtar]

Aint Done Yet/Desperation is perfectly viable.

This is not an acceptable argument. The burden of proof is on you to support your assertion with supporting facts. If you do not wish to provide a basis for your argument, when the claim is made, then please refrain from doing so.

Note: Robin could have been clearer on why he doesn't think the tactic is useful "Hard to use, and not worth the tactic slot when it comes up" but he still attempted to lay the ground work for his stance.

[Minerva]

Aint Done Yet/Desperation is perfectly viable.

This is not an acceptable argument. The burden of proof is on you to support your assertion with supporting facts. If you do not wish to provide a basis for your argument, when the claim is made, then please refrain from doing so.

That's not the argument