BUFF the BG already

[crystl32]

For me buffing the Channel is pretty much mandatory since you need it to build hatred and you need to crit soo you gonna be squishy tank with doing the less dmg. Most people that dont know about it dont even play the freaking class. I RARELY see any BG to be honest there a reason there a million chosen and BO on destro. Even buffing the channel other BO/chosen would still do way better dmg lol No dev probably play the bg that's why they never got the love they deserve probably. I do more dmg on my Shield knight channel than bg channel with a 2h.

w8. wha happen to natherul? wasnt he blackguard incarnate xD?
well, tehy could make Crimson Death work for yourself too
and channel could be like: when on low hatred, you get increased hatred per hit and when on high hatred, you do someting extra that hurts.
that could already be enough, but i'm just dreaming around here XD

[nocturnalguest]

Channel definitely doesnt need any buffs, or with buffs it should increase its mastery allocation greatly and amount of hits reduced etc. Its nerf was well justified as it was one of the greatest outliner and done by a person who actively played BG
You guys ok there?

[Koryu199X]

Yes I do feel a minor buff is required. Perhaps rather than say making shield of rage AoE keep it single target but double the absorb on the BG and DP. I think perhaps elite training should be 10 seconds and IB version the same but restores more AP. A follow up could be to make them core abilities at 40. Furious howl needs a buff and at max hatred perhaps a bigger debuff to parry and block. Crush the weak could decrease chance to crit more and or also reduce attack speed without slotting a tactic. Crushing anger again increase the AP removal based on hatred. Additionally, Yes BG does have some good tactics but there are ones that are just useless and that needs to be looked at. The key issue here though is while BG has received a buff, so has everyone else and that is why it is still lagging.

[Sever1n]

You guys ok there?

Pretty much.

U can move channel whatever place you want, 2h bg invest hard in left tree, so it wont make any dif, its even will buff snb giving him access to crimson death or stun on demand.

If you refering to He who shall not be named patch any slayer in game curse his name atm, sloppy rework make slayers extinct and leaded to era of lions (and chopas). I agree with his decisions to some extent, but some changes was very personal for classes he played how he saw, and very questionable. And it was before WS change if i remember it correct, that rework impacted most on 2h phys tanks dmg in game.

BG now literally in place of old 2h Kotbs, even worse. It does no dmg, and bring even less utility than kotbs. All his kit should do damage not only channel, hes tied to strict rotations with buff/debuff cycles, and could only be fixed by giving them normal lvl of penetration and normal base dmg.

Some people who play 6man see 2h tanks just as utility bots with happy litlle vision. I have no idea how they justify chosens, borks, sm having solid dmg is ok, but other tank not is BALANCED. Would be funny to see sms or chosens wake up and see their ether dance or relentless deal same dmg as enraged beating.

[Florian90210]

All who think that BG doesn't deserve buff, welcome to test server. You will find out that BG damage worst. I even tried FO, still bad. IB is next in crappy 2H list, but still damage much better with additional DoT.

[nocturnalguest]

You guys ok there?

Pretty much.

U can move channel whatever place you want, 2h bg invest hard in left tree, so it wont make any dif, its even will buff snb giving him access to crimson death or stun on demand.

If you refering to He who shall not be named patch any slayer in game curse his name atm, sloppy rework make slayers extinct and leaded to era of lions (and chopas). I agree with his decisions to some extent, but some changes was very personal for classes he played how he saw, and very questionable. And it was before WS change if i remember it correct, that rework impacted most on 2h phys tanks dmg in game.

BG now literally in place of old 2h Kotbs, even worse. It does no dmg, and bring even less utility than kotbs. All his kit should do damage not only channel, hes tied to strict rotations with buff/debuff cycles, and could only be fixed by giving them normal lvl of penetration and normal base dmg.

Some people who play 6man see 2h tanks just as utility bots with happy litlle vision. I have no idea how they justify chosens, borks, sm having solid dmg is ok, but other tank not is BALANCED. Would be funny to see sms or chosens wake up and see their ether dance or relentless deal same dmg as enraged beating.

Oh, yeah, sure, like in 9pt right tree or like where it all kinda supposed to be aka live. And 5-6 hits gotta be awesome too. Then you can have the dmg. EB is way too much of cheese pump for hate, so its absolutely unjustified to just buff it up without any other tweaks.

BG is still actively run in 6v6 destro comps, so i cant see an issue with a class in vacuum. It has working 2h spec, it has working snb spec and the class is widely use in organised environments, its also very good pick for full blissful. So why exactly it needs a buff?
What i can agree upon is that with current TTK previous perfectly working semioffensive builds for BG are a bit suffering (just as many others specs for other tanks, cause meta shifts are meta shifts), so the only spot i see for it is 2h quite easy to shutdown with crit reduction and due to ini change they are forced to be more defensive. Just as any other tank may i note

[Sever1n]

U can put EB whatever u want in trees if it not cancel valid dps spec builds, but why it should outside dps tree, while any other tank in game have it there? I dont get your live reference.

What uniq thing 2h bg brings to table that 6 man now say - we definetly want 2h bg in setup? Zero dmg? Sloppy 13 13 build? Buffs and debufs that have ton of copies among destro?

[Florian90210]

BG is still actively run in 6v6 destro comps, so i cant see an issue with a class in vacuum. It has working 2h spec, it has working snb spec and the class is widely use in organised environments, its also very good pick for full blissful. So why exactly it needs a buff?

If you have choice, you will never take BG, because BO and chosen bring 10x time more to table.

[nocturnalguest]

Guys, maybe my question first?
Also ive got BG too, i understand where are you coming from, but rather surprised by "suggestions" you came to.

[Sever1n]

Guys, maybe my question first?

Check balance proposals. I did long explanation why.