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wonshot
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Re: LOTD balance anyone?

Post#201 » Sat Oct 08, 2022 11:43 pm

Ninjagon wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:14 pm
wonshot wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:20 pm Whitchhunters Anon sending 1-2 stealthers to Each BO and backcapping or reporting intell could massively turn this around for Order, just saying :lol:
OK let me count a bit, Wonshot:

There are 8 BOs at one half, another 8 at the other half and 3 BOs at the middle (which I will not count, these 3 are for big fights mainly).
And I am not sure that 1 WH alone can cap BO there. But with a healer, they can.

So 1 WH + 1 heal (or 2 WH) for every BO? 16 people just for your half of the map. I am not sure if that would work.
This comment was naturally meant in a joking manner, naturally having one stealther on each BO will not paint the map all blue suddenly.
The point of the joke, was to illustrated how it seems to be flying over many player's heads that LOTD is a gamemode where you create advantages by making the enemy spend more manpower than you send at them :roll:

One WH constantly interrupting a supplychain of Battleobjectives or the same one guy (or small group) making a bigger enemy force go back and check on the flag, or a smallscale group keeping a warband on a flag preventing them from captureing is a 1:24 tradeoff in manpower. Believe me, been running on destro where single smallscalers would do it to us and keep us busy like that so ive seen how effective it can be :D

But if one realm keeps building several warbands who are not winning their evennumbers fights going alone, if the main strategy is to blob up, and the pugs are not helping doing captures, then yes you will feel outnumbered and surrounded while falling behind on points. But it has absolutely nothing to do with actually numbers imballance, its just worse allocation of manpower than the other realm
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Ninjagon
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Re: LOTD balance anyone?

Post#202 » Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:33 pm

Pop imbalance is still a huge factor, no matter how good/bad your side actually is.
But you are right - small scale groups or even individuals and their work are very important at LOTD. If a group of 6 can make busy a warband, that's a strategic win for the 6 man!
In this meaning, imagine these 43 shamans, which can heal, dps, run, kite, res others ... :-)
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Order: Velmires WP, Carnow Knight, Ninjagon BW, Ninjab WL
Destro: Ninjamar mara, Khaininja DoK, Ninjaguard chosen, Ninjamag sorc
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Uberlix
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Re: LOTD balance anyone?

Post#203 » Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:04 pm

Damn right, make those despicable shamans root themselves for 5 seconds every time they use a spell!
WWWWWAAAAAGGGGGHHHH!

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Ninjagon
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Re: LOTD balance anyone?

Post#204 » Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:17 pm

The picture talks for itself... (pop unbalance...)
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Ninjamag - The Sorcerer. RETRIBUTION / DEVASTATION guild.
Order: Velmires WP, Carnow Knight, Ninjagon BW, Ninjab WL
Destro: Ninjamar mara, Khaininja DoK, Ninjaguard chosen, Ninjamag sorc
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Re: LOTD balance anyone?

Post#205 » Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:21 pm

I would have posted that too if I were on the losing side^^
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Re: LOTD balance anyone?

Post#206 » Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:22 pm

Ninjagon wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:17 pm The picture talks for itself... (pop unbalance...)
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4 order against countless destro, true. :)
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Ninjagon
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Re: LOTD balance anyone?

Post#207 » Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:24 pm

Its an example, not a proof picture. You can say, what you want. But those that were there, they know ...
Ninjamag - The Sorcerer. RETRIBUTION / DEVASTATION guild.
Order: Velmires WP, Carnow Knight, Ninjagon BW, Ninjab WL
Destro: Ninjamar mara, Khaininja DoK, Ninjaguard chosen, Ninjamag sorc
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lumpi33
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Re: LOTD balance anyone?

Post#208 » Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:08 am

It looks like that both sides were full with 201 vs 202 players.

Many Order players probably left before end.

Destro HoB guild dominated with 221 kills.

Best Order killer was a rr56 SW with most likely a cannon at the end.

Total kills: 2277
Order kills: 867
Destro kills: 1410

Order attackers by career:
ARCHMAGE: 23
RUNE_PRIEST: 20
WARRIOR_PRIEST: 20
KNIGHT: 19
SHADOW_WARRIOR: 17
ENGINEER: 17
SLAYER: 16
SWORDMASTER: 15
BRIGHT_WIZARD: 14
WHITE_LION: 14
WITCH_HUNTER: 14
IRONBREAKER: 12
Total attacking characters: 201

Destro attackers by career:
SHAMAN: 31
SORCERER: 26
CHOSEN: 21
BLACK_ORC: 17
CHOPPA: 17
SQUIG_HERDER: 16
WITCH_ELF: 16
ZEALOT: 16
DISCIPLE: 14
BLACKGUARD: 12
MARAUDER: 11
MAGUS: 5
Total attacking characters: 202

Order kills by character:
Slingshot - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr56: 50
Ninjab - WHITE_LION 40/rr81: 40
Bombling - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr91: 36
Rolgrom - SLAYER 40/rr91: 34
Wats - WHITE_LION 40/rr69: 33
Fornax - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr85: 30
Shinehigh - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr79: 27
Ainslys - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr83: 26
Aneton - SLAYER 40/rr78: 23
Deadmaus - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr70: 21
Kajtarn - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr86: 21
Thorbaddin - SLAYER 40/rr84: 20
Bruttmurk - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr81: 19
Yxzen - WHITE_LION 40/rr82: 17
Aheron - SLAYER 40/rr77: 16
Justdelete - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr85: 16
Bowtie - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr78: 16
Nisha - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr82: 15
Phature - SLAYER 40/rr86: 14
Onidzukaa - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr65: 14
Vutekk - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr69: 13
Leoniah - WHITE_LION 40/rr71: 13
Sosa - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr73: 12
Runmasta - RUNE_PRIEST 40/rr87: 12
Adreni - ARCHMAGE 40/rr88: 12
Robinthehoodie - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr78: 12
Mordaxe - SLAYER 40/rr81: 11
Alexander - WHITE_LION 40/rr81: 11
Shaheena - ARCHMAGE 40/rr83: 10
Odalia - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr87: 10
Bromkyl - SLAYER 40/rr71: 9
Zaaaaap - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr80: 9
Seppblater - SLAYER 40/rr63: 9
Brazziiian - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr83: 8
Pyzan - SLAYER 40/rr65: 8
Stouni - SLAYER 40/rr82: 8
Massiveattack - ENGINEER 40/rr72: 7
Thepresident - SLAYER 40/rr69: 7
Keolion - WHITE_LION 40/rr83: 7
Amut - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr69: 7
Tasir - WHITE_LION 40/rr67: 7
Stromnar - WHITE_LION 40/rr65: 6
Laywh - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr83: 6
Pisyaedka - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr70: 6
Pragmatic - ARCHMAGE 40/rr74: 6
Allea - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr76: 6
Cogworth - ENGINEER 40/rr88: 5
Leshrac - WHITE_LION 40/rr82: 5
Archbeam - ARCHMAGE 40/rr83: 5
Epix - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr81: 5
Ziemof - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr76: 5
Syndalla - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr82: 5
Luminu - ARCHMAGE 40/rr51: 4
Blaydz - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr81: 4
Engitron - ENGINEER 40/rr68: 4
Targibomb - ENGINEER 40/rr58: 4
Highweaver - ARCHMAGE 40/rr82: 4
Thorukk - ENGINEER 40/rr70: 4
Karisanna - SWORDMASTER 40/rr88: 4
Daje - ENGINEER 40/rr72: 4
Airline - WHITE_LION 40/rr81: 4
Holyfire - ARCHMAGE 40/rr83: 4
Raspjutin - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr77: 3
Croucamp - SWORDMASTER 40/rr85: 3
Serathena - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr61: 3
Flameus - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr82: 3
Kannaii - WARRIOR_PRIEST 40/rr75: 3
Hon - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr84: 3
Wuxina - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr55: 3
Vinner - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr77: 3
Nixademon - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr68: 3
Kanjiro - WHITE_LION 40/rr84: 3
Snabbigautzi - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr73: 3
Lou - WHITE_LION 40/rr62: 2
Giktun - ENGINEER 40/rr76: 2
Tiggy - KNIGHT 40/rr59: 2
Goldfire - SLAYER 40/rr81: 2
Rrgold - RUNE_PRIEST 40/rr80: 2
Podpivchensky - ENGINEER 40/rr66: 2
Trippieheat - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr65: 2
Larelaya - WHITE_LION 40/rr68: 2
Fyflya - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr49: 2
Ylve - SWORDMASTER 40/rr52: 2
Belahriel - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr42: 2
Golestandts - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr91: 2
Mohendis - ENGINEER 40/rr85: 1
Darloga - RUNE_PRIEST 40/rr83: 1
Isist - WARRIOR_PRIEST 40/rr69: 1
Brutmaster - SWORDMASTER 40/rr63: 1
Muzzle - ENGINEER 40/rr80: 1
Tumaslegrand - KNIGHT 40/rr58: 1
Autonomy - SWORDMASTER 40/rr59: 1
Toroc - SWORDMASTER 40/rr82: 1
Nareen - KNIGHT 40/rr83: 1
Borbok - ENGINEER 40/rr74: 1
Lifar - RUNE_PRIEST 40/rr86: 1
Bludnbeer - IRONBREAKER 40/rr78: 1
Elenorien - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr50: 1
Foxington - KNIGHT 40/rr86: 1
Thulgor - ENGINEER 40/rr69: 1
Bohatmazedar - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr60: 1
Bubbinator - RUNE_PRIEST 40/rr77: 1
Araryniie - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr38: 1
Drafi - ENGINEER 40/rr84: 1
Deepdownlow - ARCHMAGE 40/rr61: 1

Destro kills by character:
Leorwyn - SORCERER 40/rr81: 70
Badrukk - CHOPPA 40/rr85: 70
Garamar - MARAUDER 40/rr85: 65
Firousse - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr85: 47
Chilly - SORCERER 40/rr81: 43
Rahrah - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr83: 38
Class - CHOPPA 40/rr83: 35
Chophard - CHOPPA 40/rr66: 35
Treyway - WITCH_ELF 40/rr83: 34
Polemos - CHOPPA 40/rr80: 33
Dontkissmebaby - CHOPPA 40/rr83: 32
Bazelini - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr89: 27
Hocus - SORCERER 40/rr64: 27
Vuorinorri - MARAUDER 40/rr82: 25
Djark - SORCERER 40/rr94: 23
Teefz - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr91: 23
Elabora - SORCERER 40/rr80: 22
Manabuns - SORCERER 40/rr46: 22
Necrowizard - MAGUS 40/rr75: 22
Nash - CHOPPA 40/rr83: 22
Reldin - MARAUDER 40/rr60: 20
Easycredit - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr84: 19
Gobbafet - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr83: 19
Kaiju - MARAUDER 40/rr67: 19
Chimpp - CHOPPA 40/rr83: 18
Ashiron - SORCERER 40/rr62: 18
Tsiftis - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr67: 18
Istabthings - WITCH_ELF 40/rr82: 18
Lovewts - MAGUS 40/rr80: 16
Meetwad - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr82: 16
Badooo - MARAUDER 40/rr50: 15
Anjanolian - WITCH_ELF 40/rr94: 15
Haebzula - SORCERER 40/rr82: 13
Weezard - SORCERER 40/rr62: 12
Sebol - SORCERER 40/rr71: 11
Griselbrand - MARAUDER 40/rr58: 11
Zhazou - SORCERER 40/rr83: 11
Shogun - BLACKGUARD 40/rr80: 10
Cnapmakyc - SORCERER 40/rr59: 10
Dashoota - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr78: 10
Invizeepl - CHOPPA 40/rr63: 10
Olekko - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr73: 10
Fettnacken - BLACK_ORC 40/rr77: 10
Rukzukzahnluk - CHOPPA 40/rr81: 10
Feelschoppaman - CHOPPA 40/rr66: 10
Enomara - MARAUDER 40/rr69: 10
Zernoklyi - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr65: 10
Kanath - CHOPPA 40/rr81: 9
Xaltha - SORCERER 40/rr84: 9
Quentell - SORCERER 40/rr68: 9
Rolemartyr - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr60: 9
Elsk - WITCH_ELF 40/rr55: 9
Aiklight - MARAUDER 40/rr73: 9
Torak - MARAUDER 40/rr61: 8
Dramduk - BLACK_ORC 40/rr80: 8
Penta - BLACKGUARD 40/rr75: 8
Trugus - SHAMAN 40/rr80: 8
Krimskull - CHOPPA 40/rr82: 8
Sovietika - WITCH_ELF 40/rr79: 8
Baddymcbad - CHOPPA 40/rr75: 7
Nyamasteh - WITCH_ELF 40/rr47: 7
Krill - SORCERER 40/rr82: 7
Lasealba - SORCERER 40/rr53: 7
Soulthirst - MAGUS 40/rr53: 7
Ekdikisiss - DISCIPLE 40/rr58: 7
Nepomuk - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr64: 7
Donnawetta - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr57: 7
Zuzunos - CHOPPA 40/rr73: 6
Grimfufu - SHAMAN 40/rr65: 6
Snyp - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr69: 6
Skjoldur - CHOSEN 40/rr55: 6
Rejetta - WITCH_ELF 40/rr83: 5
Muchomorek - BLACK_ORC 40/rr81: 5
Whitemamba - SHAMAN 40/rr59: 5
Funeral - BLACKGUARD 40/rr72: 5
Aelynthi - SORCERER 40/rr75: 5
Gorkx - BLACK_ORC 40/rr83: 5
Horizon - SORCERER 40/rr66: 4
Kactus - WITCH_ELF 40/rr67: 4
Aerylin - MAGUS 40/rr85: 4
Butsh - MAGUS 40/rr68: 4
Kallig - DISCIPLE 40/rr82: 4
Wutaz - SORCERER 40/rr77: 4
Latro - MARAUDER 40/rr76: 4
Rumbling - BLACK_ORC 40/rr91: 3
Apani - WITCH_ELF 40/rr69: 3
Cathartes - BLACKGUARD 40/rr82: 3
Goffkar - BLACK_ORC 40/rr74: 3
Chtulu - CHOSEN 40/rr72: 3
Ilmare - WITCH_ELF 40/rr60: 3
Suuwp - SORCERER 40/rr81: 3
Goregor - BLACK_ORC 40/rr73: 3
Trocolere - WITCH_ELF 40/rr73: 3
Echis - SORCERER 40/rr55: 3
Fluf - BLACK_ORC 40/rr92: 3
Xhate - BLACKGUARD 40/rr77: 3
Lucilda - WITCH_ELF 40/rr81: 3
Takeit - SHAMAN 40/rr76: 3
Zikkila - MARAUDER 40/rr70: 3
Ellwynd - WITCH_ELF 40/rr50: 2
Shipnex - CHOPPA 40/rr60: 2
Ratman - CHOSEN 40/rr74: 2
Greenash - BLACK_ORC 40/rr79: 2
Ronty - CHOSEN 40/rr72: 2
Mauxfaux - SORCERER 40/rr47: 2
Garther - CHOSEN 40/rr82: 2
Gogo - WITCH_ELF 40/rr82: 2
Wolzog - CHOPPA 40/rr59: 2
Glist - SHAMAN 40/rr77: 2
Stortsettmoste - CHOPPA 40/rr75: 2
Gergy - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr55: 2
Schattenbiss - SORCERER 40/rr82: 2
Hiin - DISCIPLE 40/rr61: 1
Calroh - BLACKGUARD 40/rr62: 1
Gutrotz - BLACK_ORC 40/rr57: 1
Booz - CHOSEN 40/rr74: 1
Ukmog - BLACK_ORC 40/rr82: 1
Sanquiniusss - CHOSEN 40/rr71: 1
Rinchi - SORCERER 40/rr42: 1
Ocara - BLACKGUARD 40/rr85: 1
Eluned - SORCERER 40/rr51: 1
Meeza - SHAMAN 40/rr42: 1
Relife - SHAMAN 40/rr92: 1
Zaaeofhnzne - WITCH_ELF 40/rr52: 1
Dualdaggers - WITCH_ELF 40/rr62: 1
Cosmine - SORCERER 40/rr86: 1
Jiroh - SHAMAN 40/rr82: 1

Order kills by guild:
Bene Tleilax: 118
Gimle: 79
Vae Victis Granarc: 50
Pax Mortis II: 49
SMASH: 45
NO_GUILD: 40
VODKA: 40
Pugchamp: 36
Ethics: 36
HELLenes: 31
Beaver: 26
Familjen: 25
Wildly Inappropriate: 24
GIGN: 22
Salt Factory: 21
Phenix: 20
CNTK: 17
Nordlicht: 16
Morituri: 15
Zaxxed: 13
China Tower: 12
Twierdza: 12
Red Shadows: 12
Falkenrath: 10
HardLine: 10
Formosa: 9
Satas Hakx: 9
Mother Russia: 8
Order Biased: 6
FUREUR: 6
Exile: 6
The Forces of Order: 5
Forgotten: 5
Pocketsize: 5
Sapphica Sororitas: 4
Italian Job: 4
Seventh Legion: 3
Third World Inc: 3
WitchHunters Anon: 3
nouvelle age: 2
null: 2
Milites Ultionis: 2
Lunatic: 2
Ninjas with crocs: 1
Luna Marchita: 1
Shadows of Divinity: 1
Bitterstone Thunderers: 1

Destro kills by guild:
Hand of Blood: 221
NO_GUILD: 104
Legion Of Perkele: 104
Thank god am pretty: 58
Sovereign: 58
Daydream: 50
CORPSE STOMPRS: 50
BLACK HORROR: 49
Nugos: 47
TROUDZ: 47
Renaissance: 44
KAZ: 39
Guerra: 39
The Misfits: 39
Unfortunate Timing: 34
Brutality: 24
The Blood Moon: 24
Strife: 23
Exodus: 23
Dark Panda: 22
RigorMortis: 22
Mortus: 19
Corruption: 19
Wu Tang Clan: 19
Mourne: 17
Pink Snails: 16
Omen Sinistrum: 15
Omega: 13
Gobbo Club: 13
BALTIKA: 13
Sodium Refinery: 13
Schattenkrieger: 11
Sigmar Digmar: 11
Svoboda: 10
Parasites: 10
Da Freebootaz: 10
V I K I N G S: 9
Amnesia: 8
TALENTFREI: 7
Uncivilised Guardians: 7
Legion of Doom: 7
Royal Legio: 5
Crematorium: 5
FMJ: 5
Klan Athel: 4
Minds of Insanity: 3
Far East: 3
Da fat squigs: 3
In plain sight: 2
Tzeentch and Chong: 2
Gummy Bears of Doom: 2
Clan Kass Kranes: 2
Spetznobz: 2
Bitterbone Thunderthighs: 1
The Damned: 1
NOCTURNE: 1
Twisted Destiny: 1

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Re: LOTD balance anyone?

Post#209 » Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:14 am

Im a bit surprised that Destro brought so many Sorcs this time and their best killer was also a sorc with 70 kills. Is there something fishy going on with them? That one sorc had more than twice the kills than all engineers combined (17 engineers, 33 kills)

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Re: LOTD balance anyone?

Post#210 » Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:21 am

Ninjagon wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:24 pm Its an example, not a proof picture. You can say, what you want. But those that were there, they know ...
I like how the rvr campaign is absolutely dominated week in and week out by Order rolling fort after fort to the point where they take near empty forts cause everyone logs one side, yet the second LotD discussion comes into play suddenly its "Destro is overpopulated!!"

What game are you even playing where you don't see this? Order took two forts this morning with ease in the short time I was playing. Where's your complaints about that?
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