Any thoughts with experimenting with a 16-39 SC

[Axerker]

better than guarding WC mailbox.

He ain't lyin...

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[Tesq]

Ruin starts at R34, Epic T4 weapons are R36, Beastlord and Rare Fortune starts at R37. That'd be a lot of high-end gear if you had the bracket extend all the way to R39. 16-31 would be more likely for the current state of the game.

You can use rank 39 because other ppl have booster and the difference is then done more from tactics slot rather than ranks.
Even if ppl rank 34-39 equip ruin this will only balance stats wise with the boosted lower rank.

The only problem is if the server can support 3 split queue but dosen't alredy does? The change will just increase time in t3 ones

T1
T2-t3-t3.5
T4+

Assuming the split as rvr the mid bracket would cover ranks 16-39 these are not few
The majority of player is in t4+ braket and there is no prob for the final bracket.

Currently t2-t3 is the one with probs and then there are low level player in t4+ bracket right now

[rmpl]

I'm pretty baffled that it hasn't been implemented yet. It's no fun for either sides: low lvls don't want to be farmed by high rr people and high rank people don't want low lvls to ruin their scenarios.

I would rather wait 5min for a scenario and get a fair fight than fight a bunch of low levels. Who cares if you can get ruin gear or scs weapons, just adjust the bolster accordingly.

The game was great up until 32 when you become a deadweight in scenarios because some people would rather get slightly faster queues and kill some cannon fodder. You pretty much have to level up through boring PVE, get your ruin and leech RVR captures/locks whenever you can. Absolutely disgusting.

[Axerker]

Absolutely disgusting.

Tell us how you REALLY feel!


Here are my opinions, they're worth exactly whatever you want them to be (nothing, or slightly more than nothing):

a) Doing SCs sub-40 in the max bracket isn't THAT bad. It can suck, but the other team has lowbies too. This mainly becomes a problem if you're fighting premades. To avoid this, use the daily Pug scenario instead of Join All.
b) Certain classes perform better (compared to other classes at the same level) while lower level. These are Tanks and Healers. Tanks get very high health with Bolster, and Healers can still hold their own and assist their group fairly well. DPS, however, are going to have a tough time. Unfortunately, most people play DPS (due to being 2/4 classes per race, so 50% of the classes in the game are DPS compared to 25% Tank and 25% Healer, and people generally like taking the easy way out). DPS will struggle the most, but if you keep your gear updated, you stand and okay-ish chance of holding your own.


I personally would agree that having a 40-only bracket would be best. (So 1-15, 16-31, 32-39, and 40 only) But for a different reason. The Devs always mention that all balance tweaks are based on Lv 40 classes only. All feedback from anyone without a class of 40/40 is typically ignored (and justified, I would add) due to the player not having actual experience in that class before making sggestions. So, if all decisions are based on only Lv 40 classes, then 40s should be in a standalone bracket, in my opinion, because that means 1-39 class balance is not considered. So 32-39s getting placed against 40s are at a disadvantage, in most cases (hedge cases of advantages, as well), because they are not tweaked for balance at those levels (again, this is entirely justified).

Overall, your grind may be slower. Your time may be less enjoyable. But this is only for a handful of levels, then you will be 40. You can either:

a) Suffer through being lower level against Lv 40s in SCs (and lesser extent of RvR)
b) PvE until 40, then get entry level gear from PQs to have a fair chance (your RR will suffer for it, but you can then farm this up after 40)

Both are viable, just slower than if we had a 32-39 bracket. If they gave us a 40-only bracket people would start complaining about wanting to be matched by Item Level or RR. Can't sate everyone.

[peterthepan3]

To be honest I don't see why people complain. We have been helping our guildies level through sc and rvr from 32, and now they are 40. Make friendly with people and stop playing solo as a low level!!

Though having said that, I'm up for 40-only sc.

[dansari]

To be honest I don't see why people complain. We have been helping our guildies level through sc and rvr from 32, and now they are 40. Make friendly with people and stop playing solo as a low level!!

Though having said that, I'm up for 40-only sc.

Sure, but I would argue the majority, or vast majority, of the playerbase is pug or semi pug. And in that sense, being low 30 vs 40/40 can be such a big jump that it causes genuine frustration.

[bloodi]

You can ruin any sc of the mid bracket on 28-30 char, the difference in gear options and the ability to get to 13 point skills makes you a god among them.

Letting 32-39 join that bracket too would make them the ones who rule it and all they get from it would probably be still t3 sc tokens, making queing when you are 16-30 a waste because you wouldnt be able to do much and making getting merc extra hard for the 31-39 folks making this whole idea irrelevant.

Nevermind extra queue times and all that, this brings a lot more problems than it solves.

I would be up for a 31-39 bracket on their own but they already tried that and there is a reason why they changed it back.

[Sulorie]

People having problems with r32 in sc queue are those who grinded xp with low rr or new players who refuse to ask for help. The bolster is fine.
Mdps might have the most trouble as lowlvl but it works.

[Yaliskah]

some suggestions are very interesting, and we will probably think about when we will have the time to focus on. And thats not so simple cause it may create more issues. (last exemple : trying to separate more clearly "premade" and pugs. result : very extended pop time. so question is : mixed sc quite often or more "balanced" sc quite never?

You probalby all noticed many big parts of the project are moving on actually and we are totally unable to do everything in the same time.

Time is the problem, and the team is probably smaller than you seems to think ( MUCH smaller).

Actually SC are probably the most effective part of the game, so, i'm not sure this part needs our top n°1 attention right now.

Now about actual state of ORvR (let continu the troll ).

1/ We plan to finish the work started this year for april. Some very important parts of RvR aren't done and may change lot of things (bo control/rnak/siege mechanics, guilds involvments/claiming, war treasure, ordnances, some tweaks and fixs...).

2/ Some can say what they want (afk BO, Zerg, too hard for lowbies, gngngn), my answer : LoL ? afk BO : your choice. zerg : your choice (according there are more than 4 dynamics objectives on a single area and more than 1 area open 95% of the time), too hard for lowbies : no, unless your though going alone in the lake ( btw tried with a WE lvl 19, green stuffed. solo. Hard yes, but if you are smart enough...), gngngn : i totally agree this, but no.

[dansari]

Yali - good to hear. Thanks for your insight.