Balance premade and random teams

[Charon]

The fact that there are several threads every 2 days concerning premade vs pug encounters, demanding separate queues, blasting premade players and assuming they are interested solely in 'pug stomping' instead of any real challenge, all suggest otherwise.

Is't it mean that the issue really exist ???

[bloodi]

The fact that there are several threads every 2 days concerning premade vs pug encounters, demanding separate queues, blasting premade players and assuming they are interested solely in 'pug stomping' instead of any real challenge, all suggest otherwise.

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So your several threads every 2 days turns out to be 4 in 3 years

Stop making **** up, stop mudding everything with your rethoric that is based on some kind of alternate reality that you and only you live on.

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f you've played on this server - which I assume you have - then you'd have to be ignorant to believe that there isn't a feeling of 'tut tut tut...' held towards said players.

And if what you say was true, you would be linking them instead of trying to portray single individuals who are even unable to form coherent thoughts as common occurance.

You are not persecuted or a minority, stop trying to portray yourself as such.

[peterthepan3]

Most of em have been deleted then. there were literally loads. Ok mate whatever you say!

[roadkillrobin]

I think IN t4 moast people are in favor of having 2 Scenarios premade vs premade only and 2 pug vs pug only. And then have the remanining ones being mixed/random.

[Danielle]

In the world of video games, you can't do that. If you won't provide something to the satisfaction of casual players as they are, then they will go to someone who will. Then, as always happens when good players are accomodated far too much in a game... the good players will leave because "no one is playing any more", "game is dead" etc..

I am glad to read Azarael's opinion on the issue and see that he is well informed. I won't lie I was skeptical about this seeing how RvR rewards were changed ;p.

The truth is, the casuals are the backbone of any competitive ecosystem, and if they stop playing the whole 'competitive' food chain falls apart as the lower predators start losing their prey, they in turn start quitting, until everybody including the apex predators quits the game. Warhammer has always been absolutely garbage about maintaining that ecosystem, as it basically has scenarios that encourage prolonged and pointless spawncamping instead of objective oriented play, and a lack of matchmaking and 'group fixing' that ensures premades stomp.

One suggestion I would have on the matter is a thing that was introduced in HoN called ''matchmaking fidelity" where players were able to select longer queue times for better balanced matches. I think it could be implemented here by having a matchmaking system. That system would completely shut down during low population, and conversely tighten up the fidelity (matchmaking criteria) as population increases to maintain acceptable queue times..

But the biggest of all things is allowing role queuing, people tick if they want to play as a healer/tanks/dps before searching and then 2/2/2 groups get put together in a scenario (this solves the issue of dps healers, if these were simply identified by class). Again there could be an adjustable slider for this that would modify how much this is enforced for a player if someone was too lazy to wait and would rather play with unbalanced roles.

Slam jam with these 2 upgrades I feel like scenarios would be 3x times better as soon as they were implemented in a workable fashion.

[Dalgrimar]

The fact that there are several threads every 2 days concerning premade vs pug encounters, demanding separate queues, blasting premade players and assuming they are interested solely in 'pug stomping' instead of any real challenge, all suggest otherwise.

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So your several threads every 2 days turns out to be 4 in 3 years

More like 2 in July, 1 in May and 1 in January.
All this year.
Ofc the other ones are being cleaned up to keep the forums organized.

[bloodi]

We do have a role matchmaking, you may not choose an option per se but the system allocates you in teams that try to balance themselves around 2 2 2. Problem comes with premades and people leaving the queue after the pop.

Also, its much better if they dont let you choose the role, we dont want Dps healers queueing as healers. Grace Wps are enough of a problem already in this sytem.

And the fidelity thing has the same problems a separate queue has, there is not enough population.

Most of em have been deleted then. there were literally loads.

There where dozens of them let me tell you, DOZENS.

Its just a coincidence that they were all magically deleted so you can continue lying about it.

Ofc the other ones are being cleaned up to keep the forums organized.

And another one of those things that dont happen.

But hey, you can just state it does and then ignore all evidence against it and continue saying it!

[Charon]

Ehhh from my perspective t4 sc looks like that
I mostly recognize people from destro premades i usually don't join sc with them. Large number of other order players do exactly the same especially when they play classes which are not emblem dependent like WP and other healers (in some extension tanks). This causes that destro premades as a opponents face usually bunch of order mdps or rather rdps and some low level chars (they need at least emblem weapon) which only count on they chances to get some single target kill and in 99% cases are butchered by destro. In longer period - wipe after wipe- this lead to situation when ppl give up playing sc at all (or right after they got enough emblems) they consider it as unpleasant wasting of time at most. (i think it is very negative trend)

and from this perspective i have some question - is it fun playing premades in situation like that- is it challenging enough or is that only farm? and Should it looks like that?

[peterthepan3]

Mate you should pipe down a bit with the hostile nature. There was a point several months back where I can recall a thread being made every few days concerning premades/pug stompers. If not threads, you only have to check topics that always derail into b/s between pugs and premades to get an idea of how people perceive premades.
anyway mate i don't wish for this to derail into bullshit as per usual, so let's leave it here.

@Charon
Most premades find scenarios boring when there is no challenge. The 'farming' only results out of need: nothing else to do; gearing up alts; etc.

[bloodi]

Mate you should pipe down a bit with the hostile nature. There was a point several months back where I can recall a thread being made every few days concerning premades/pug stompers. If not threads, you only have to check topics that always derail into b/s between pugs and premades to get an idea of how people perceive premades.

No, you derail topics into that matter, you were even banned for doing so.

When you stop lying to skew the narrative into your "we premades are always getting the short end of the stick" i will stop calling you out on it.

You can recall them but again, you cant link them, things dont get deleted on this forum for being old, you can go and look at the first threads created on the forum right now.

The problem is you, you are too invested in this alternate world where you are battling a crusade in name of the "skillfull play", so much that you are starting to make up your own reality, stop it, there is no conspiracy against premades, there is no movement to mock and blast them besides a few clueless individuals, if you really believe there is, you need help, medical help. For real.