What justifies this ?

[forsa]

Resistances are hardcapped at 50% and Morale Damage cannot be mitigated or defended against. Morale damage being the measuring stick of most successful large RvR engagements, I find it difficult to believe that a BO with Heavy Brawler (2Hander spec) is a match for Order range DPS within a Keep/Fort while holding a doorway. Are you serious? For a 14 point Investment Ability in the Brawler Tree, I believe You Wot! is not as Earth-shattering as it seems, especially for a meager 10% damage buff for 20 seconds (melee).

1. Resistances can get debuffed, with U Wot it stays capped after debuff, same for armor.
2. Morale damage was nerfed looong ago and is negated by orc racial + wounds tactic, U Wot helps against BW/EN/SW/SL/WL damage.
3. It can be taken with Sov/warlord with Waagh no problem.
4. +10% Damage (all but morale) buff is just a cherry on top.

Dragon's Talon is a massive aid against Destro Melee Trains with it's nearly 100% uptime + AoE damage debuff. The only thing defective about the Raking Talons Tactic is the damage portion, which may be by design from the developers to curb excessive Magic AoE spam,especially from a melee class that can AoE debuff magic resistance to its own damage and that of other classes (like the AM, WL, and WP). The language for the tactic is also curiously vague, so take that as you will. But the -dmg% debuff is fully functional with multiple mobs.

Sometimes DT+RT affects 2-3 targets. Sometime it even affects 4. Most of the time it affects only initial target.
Even in your example it affected 2-3 mobs (out of 5-6?), while DB affected all

Spoiler:

5 mobs stood in same place
Dragons Talon affected 2 mobs out of 5 (red highlight).
Used Crushing Advance and all 5 affected (green highlight)
Dragons Talon again, only 1 affected (pink highlight)

By the way Rapzel. Not sure if you were aware, but Dragon's Talon does also stack with Challenge (Total -50% damage reduction). Raking Talons Tactic debuff is still fully operational, so you can still apply it the within an AoE, but without the AoE damage the tactic may suggest(?). DT is also stackable with Distracting Bellows but at a -60% AoE Damage Reduction not -70% like you would think for some reason. Screenshot below with SM testing.

Actually Challenge is considered tactic and thus does not stack with DT+RT. Just -30% from Challenge.
DB is morale and they are multiplicative

1. We're talking about WB specs, no BO in a serious WB would go you wot, as it's far up the 2h tree, and would make it impossible to reach WAAAAAGH.
2. I also left out parry buff and wall of darting steel on SM, do you think there's a reason I did that?
3. Where did I state that BO is not tankier? Quite sure I explicitly said BO is tankier but provides less utility compared to SM.
4. Does YOU WOT?! matter in WB? No because mitigation does NOT apply to guard damage, it can only be avoided by block/parry/dodge/disrupt. Resistance and armor matter very little in 24vs24 compared to avoidance.

1. It is very much possible to pick both

Spoiler:

RoR.builders - Black Orc
RoR.builders - Black Orc

2. 5 sec(!) Parry buff is shatterable, WODS is channel and needs 2h which is suicidal in WB
(unlike instacast unshatterable 20 sec UWot that works with Snb)
3. Utility is on par, BO is just tankier
4. U Wot matter in wb play cause helps BO survive order rdd. Also its funny that you contradict yourself (or ignore reality?):
"Does YOU WOT?! matter in WB? No because mitigation does NOT apply to guard damage, it can only be avoided by block/parry/dodge/disrupt"...
In reality U Wot actually also BUFFS THE AVOIDANCE.

[Schweedy]

Spoiler:

Dragon's Talon is a massive aid against Destro Melee Trains with it's nearly 100% uptime + AoE damage debuff. The only thing defective about the Raking Talons Tactic is the damage portion, which may be by design from the developers to curb excessive Magic AoE spam,especially from a melee class that can AoE debuff magic resistance to its own damage and that of other classes (like the AM, WL, and WP). The language for the tactic is also curiously vague, so take that as you will. But the -dmg% debuff is fully functional with multiple mobs.

Sometimes DT+RT affects 2-3 targets. Sometime it even affects 4. Most of the time it affects only initial target.
Even in your example it affected 2-3 mobs (out of 5-6?), while DB affected all

By the way Rapzel. Not sure if you were aware, but Dragon's Talon does also stack with Challenge (Total -50% damage reduction). Raking Talons Tactic debuff is still fully operational, so you can still apply it the within an AoE, but without the AoE damage the tactic may suggest(?). DT is also stackable with Distracting Bellows but at a -60% AoE Damage Reduction not -70% like you would think for some reason. Screenshot below with SM testing.

Actually Challenge is considered tactic and thus does not stack with DT+RT. Just -30% from Challenge.
DB is morale and they are multiplicative

Here we go again.

DT + Racking Talon stacks with Challenge according to the Bugtracker. I think I read it right. This is one of the first things showing up if you search "talon" in the search box (out of like 2 DT related reports).
https://github.com/WarEmu/WarBugs/issues/13439

I don't quite think you read my post. Or even understood the context of the image I provided, which wasn't meant for you and consequently was misinterpreted. As for the odd Bellows stacking, that multiplicative calculation makes sense in that regard.

Dragon's Talon + Racking Talon applies the AoE debuff to ALL TARGETS WITHIN 20FT RANGE (the Debuff). I already stated a potential rationale for why it isn't applying AoE damage (or why no one cared to fix it), which may be a throwback to it's live function or design logic (?) I don't know. Read the rationale I provided to Rapzel. Also it is still a solid ability, even with the 20ft range (even without the wonky AoE damage).

EDIT: removed sneaky advertisement from image.

[forsa]

Spoiler:

Here we go again.

DT + Racking Talon stacks with Challenge according to the Bugtracker. I think I read it right. This is one of the first things showing up if you search "talon" in the search box (out of like 2 DT related reports).
https://github.com/WarEmu/WarBugs/issues/13439

I don't quite think you read my post. Or even understood the context of the image I provided, which wasn't meant for you and consequently was misinterpreted. As for the odd Bellows stacking, that multiplicative calculation makes sense in that regard.

Dragon's Talon + Racking Talon applies the AoE debuff to ALL TARGETS WITHIN 20FT RANGE (the Debuff). I already stated a potential rationale for why it isn't applying AoE damage (or why no one cared to fix it), which may be a throwback to it's live function or design logic (?) I don't know. Read the rationale I provided to Rapzel. Also it is still a solid ability, even with the 20ft range (even without the wonky AoE damage).

roll a d12

Ok, glad that you agree with everything regarding the U Wot and its 20 sec OPness, focusing on 4 sec DT that requires tactic. I appreciate it, no bias.
Just checked DT+RT:
1. DT+RT does not stack with Challenge
2. Raking Talons tactic states that "Dragon Talon now affects all enemies within 20 feet" but actually only -20% damage effect is transferred (not damage so no procs)

[Schweedy]

Ok, glad that you agree with everything regarding the U Wot and its 20 sec OPness, focusing on 4 sec DT that requires tactic. I appreciate it, no bias.
Just checked DT+RT:
1. DT+RT does not stack with Challenge
2. Raking Talons tactic states that "Dragon Talon now affects all enemies within 20 feet" but actually only -20% damage effect is transferred (not damage so no procs)

This is some next level cherry picking.

Negative Ghostrider. I never agreed with the train of thought that a "U Wot Black Orc" is as invincible and decisive in RvR chokeholds as you imply. Your argument is built on a ridiculous number of suppositions and assumptions, that I cannot wrap my head around (and probably most too). Let's just agree to disagree then. We have detracted from OP post about like 12 posts ago. If you want your feelings and assumptions addressed make a separate thread about it.

Also the only way you can test DT+RT stacking with challenge is with another person. Like the bugtracker report I linked you does. Provide a picture of the debuff not stacking with challenge and then post it here to support your argument, followed by a report in the bugtracker. Challenge and DT+RT is supposed to stack, stacking is intended behavior.