Sm/Bo talk only!!!!!

[Gobmarley]

No, I'm not trolling, just give my point of view of the game and ask for some questions...

Next time i'll not ask questions, and will not give my point of view!

[Luth]

The problem is, that every thread serves a specific purpose. This one for instance is about bringing the weakest tank classes more in line with the other tank classes.
It would just be very expedient in such discussions, if people that have actually knowledge on the specific topic would discuss it, so there would be something more on the end as there was on the beginning.

There are other topics about class builds where questions to the class(es) would fit more (like the one you linked).
Also minor fluff stuff like you posted it is not very fitting into balancing discussions.
It's not that someone is trying to give SMs their own spaceship ability with 3k AOE damage or something.
It's just about to bolster the value of the class(es) for groups to make them equally desirable.

P.S.: This wasn't meant as offense, just looked like trolling for me.
I would also rather see "destroy confidence" on the IB instead of the knight, so that all gobbos run away from me. But one can dream...

[Kazekiri]

The internal discuss didn't bring anything positive maybe because we ask too much... step by step
Priorities?
We don't care about sapping strike DRAINING ap
Even the phantom blade buff evolving to party, meh

Let's just ask the KD to 9 (concerning both SM and BO)
and increasing the buff duration of some abilities (eagle flight, talon... idk for BO)

I think theses two lines cannot be denied by anyone on any faction, that's not too much, that will be a great first step to balance classes...

[Silvertusk]

This ended up hitting a wall in the internal chats, because nobody agrees on what should actually be done there. Everyone has their own idea of the T4 metagame. Additionally, there are objections to buffing BO, which leaves this idea completely screwed - adjusting SM without adjusting BO will cause a tsunami of

ORDER BIAS!

to fall upon the shores of RoR.


Quite frankly, I expect at this point that nothing will ever be done without the ability to modify the client.[/quote]

Both SM/BO need a means to a long ST KB to begin with.

[Coryphaus]

That's really unfortunate it's a pity the community cannot talk to the other devs like we can talk to you az to offer opinions and to try and convince you of balance changes

When so many in the community approves I'm a bit suprises that the devs would oppose that to on buffing blorc

I wish I knew what kind of end game the other devs wanted cause no one here wants itblike how it was on live with only few viable classes and cookie cutter everywhere

[Luth]

Regardless of the other changes and considered how easily it can be done, the knockdown should be immediately switched down to 9 points.
This change should have really happend with the level 26 increase and doesn't require any justification, cause 13 points is obviously plain stupid compared to all other knockdowns available in the game...

Srsly, both classes (but the SM in particular) make the impression if they rushed it in the alpha and never touched the class again...

[Bignusty]

Srsly, both classes (but the SM in particular) make the impression if they rushed it in the alpha and never touched the class again...

Make same things on the BO and SM dont need to be more adjusted than the BO they are mirror class and it's ok .

[Coryphaus]

Srsly, both classes (but the SM in particular) make the impression if they rushed it in the alpha and never touched the class again...

then what does that make wl?

honestly though i agree at the very least their respective kds should be moved to 9pts

[mistgun]

The internal discuss didn't bring anything positive maybe because we ask too much... step by step
Priorities?
We don't care about sapping strike DRAINING ap
Even the phantom blade buff evolving to party, meh

Let's just ask the KD to 9 (concerning both SM and BO)
and increasing the buff duration of some abilities (eagle flight, talon... idk for BO)

I think theses two lines cannot be denied by anyone on any faction, that's not too much, that will be a great first step to balance classes...

+1

[Luth]

Srsly, both classes (but the SM in particular) make the impression if they rushed it in the alpha and never touched the class again...

then what does that make wl?

WL need some adjustments too, but this is for another thread imo.
The problem with the WL is, that almost everything has to be done very carefully.
A good start would it be to remove/alter the two pointless aggro reduce tactics in the paths to something usefull and even more important, change the outgoing healdebuff into an incoming one.

It would be really easy to overbuff the WL, because of his potential as a (maybe the best) front loaded burst class in the game and his superiour mobility.
e.g. simply handing out all mara stuff would create a monster, similiar (or even worse) to what mythic did when they raised the damage potential of the mara without removing 1-2 of the important debuffs.