Swordmaster & Eagle's Flight

[bloodi]

Frequent use now is only possible if you take cuts in dmg and utility.

But i thought buffing EF didnt improve group utility at all and you explained that extensively in the now sadly deleted parts of the thread?

Because I am not using EF frequently now, I dont take cuts in utility.
If it gets buffed I would think about sacrificing a little bit of utility for my own survivability.

I love how you are destroying your own arguments now.

You basically said that buffing EF wouldnt help at all then explained how helpful it would be, good work buddy

Increase EF duration to 10 seconds if using a SnB, keep it at 5 if using a 2H.

/thread

And bring back Divine Strike!

Ah we cant modify skills that way? ok no /thread then.

[Nanji]

...

Or you just dont get me. I said I am not frequently using it now because I want my utility.
I will frequently use it if it gets buffed because I would not loose so much utility to keep it up for selfish reasons.

Hard to get?

Helpfull in terms of survivability not utility.

[bloodi]

Or you just dont get me.

Yeah i am sure this all because you are a special flower and not because you are making no **** sense.

I will frequently use it if it gets buffed because I would not loose so much utility to keep it up for selfish reasons.

Hard to get?

And that is why you are destroying your own arguments, you are the one who said that is not needed and that it wouldnt help, now you are saying that it does help and you would definetly use it.

Hard to get? No, you being this stupid is something i already knew from the deleted thread, that you would be the one who shuts down his own argument is however a bit surprising.

[Nanji]

I think you should step back and see the bigger picture. survivability not being utility, frequently not being occasionally and so on.
I dont want to call anyone stupid but...

[bloodi]

I think you should step back and see the bigger picture. survivability not being utility, frequently not being occasionally and so on.
I dont want to call anyone stupid but...

Or you just dont get me. I said I am not frequently using it now because I want my utility.
I will frequently use it if it gets buffed because I would not loose so much utility to keep it up for selfish reasons.

But?

[Nanji]

But?

Yes? What do you have problems with?

[Penril]

And bring back Divine Strike!

Ah we cant modify skills that way? ok no /thread then.

I was being kinda sarcastic, but whatever... this thread has long outlived its purpose.

[bloodi]

Yes? What do you have problems with?

I wouldnt want to call you stupid but i already did, so i will chew it for you, because you seem to be, you know, stupid.

But i thought buffing EF didnt improve group utility at all and you explained that extensively in the now sadly deleted parts of the thread?

This is an instance of me mocking you for your constant claims that buffing EF woulnt improve utility, because you know, freeing gdcs where you dont have to use EF, lets you snare and spirt debuff, which increases your utility.

Because I am not using EF frequently now, I dont take cuts in utility.
If it gets buffed I would think about sacrificing a little bit of utility for my own survivability.

Here however we have you agreeing with it, you dont use EF because it cripples your utility, which directly proves my point, increasing EF duration increases your classes utility.

Helpfull in terms of survivability not utility.

Oh what we have here, after realizing you are destroying your own argument you now backpedal and pretend this was always about your survivability, buffing EF doesnt help utility now suddenly

I think you should step back and see the bigger picture. survivability not being utility, frequently not being occasionally and so on.
I dont want to call anyone stupid but...

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This is you going back to your terrible tactics, since your argument got shut down, you try a little of word play and pretend that i am stupid for not understanding, this is by the way, all you did in the deleted part of the thread.

However, its just that, a pathetic attempt at not admitting that you nuked down your own argument.

Yes? What do you have problems with?

I have problems with you mudling the thread, succeding in making a gm delete most of it and now pretending you did nothing wrong.

And this is not nearly as much fault of yours as is the moderators sadly.

[grumcajs]

have to admit (after forum battle) that Nanji know way more about SM than me. (looking forward to meet him in game).

Most SMs cry for buffs for X or Y but it looks like it come from players that are new to the class (me included - I hate how these elves looks like and I do not like to play female...unless she wears bikini )

truth is I have never spoke to some1 who could show me what actually SM can bring to a grp - sure mostly cuz WW, but also how WW cd decrease can help other members of team to perform their roles better. some setups can work better, some doesnt seem to feel that benefit but its still possible to boost your grp a lot (mentioned no cd grp cleanse, debuff re-apply rate when it get cleansed, aid to bomb grps, low cd on other tanks CC etc.) while providing assist dps + some handy debuffs.

I was sure as hell SM is complete crap in terms of grp support but now Im so sure at all...no tank can beat kotbs in that, even IB in certain setups vs. certain setups but SM seems to support the grp by more sneaky way - SM help other classes to support their grp better.

[Portni]

As i was reading thread for some time before the epiq shattering removed around 17 pages of discussion i can say that i noticed no solid reasons of not buffing Eagle's Flight to 10 seconds.
By a strange coincidence, my last posts were unanswered and that gives a feeling that my arguments were fine. Or even too fine.
That's ok. I hope the respected Community remember my suggestions about Eagle's Flight. Just briefly - make it 10s defensive target buff. Also i have some ideas about SMs group utility buffing maybe in another thread.