Theft

[Epo]

Comparing this to :| is a new level of ridiculous.

Read whole post please and not a single word.
If you don't like this comparison I can tell it in other words for you.
You been beaten on your way home because you had pink hat on. You are to blame for that because only idiots wear pink hats in this time of the year.
Many people try to blame the developers for being robbed because of their actions. In my opinion, this is a very "good" logic.

If you or some one else do not like this project they always can spend 5 years in creating a new one using war emulator. Or you can play different game. But telling this guys(devs) that they are to blame in been robbed is ridiculous.

Summer is fast approaching, it's perfectly reasonable to wear a hat in this weather, pink or otherwise.

[Gravord]

And how this relates to simple theft? I fear it doesn't in the slightest, 2 wrongs dorsn't make right.

It relates as to understand reasons why did it even happen in the first place, ways it could have been avoided and still can be put down with minimal to no dmg to RoR project, with apriopriate actions.

It happened because somebody lack enough backbone and moral integrity to not do that. And some more somebodies who want to hop on that project and help to build their team using stolen property.

Yes. But you refuse to see bigger picture and only focus on that part. With content playerbase and decent relation level between community and staff nobody would be interested to hopping to that new server. One unhpapy staff member and few dozen banned players? That server wont last a week. But its not the case isnt? You are afraid it will divide playerbase from RoR server into the new one and its justified thinking. Because of disregard to community shown here by certain staff members and changing game into something that isnt WAR that players loved and wanted to continue to play.

[Ezella]

Comparing this to :| is a new level of ridiculous.

Read whole post please and not a single word.
If you don't like this comparison I can tell it in other words for you.
You been beaten on your way home because you had pink hat on. You are to blame for that because only idiots wear pink hats in this time of the year.
Many people try to blame the developers for being robbed because of their actions. In my opinion, this is a very "good" logic.

If you or some one else do not like this project they always can spend 5 years in creating a new one using war emulator. Or you can play different game. But telling this guys(devs) that they are to blame in been robbed is ridiculous.

agreed!

[wargrimnir]

Yes. But you refuse to see bigger picture and only focus on that part. With content playerbase and decent relation level between community and staff nobody would be interested to hopping to that new server. One unhpapy staff member and few dozen banned players? That server wont last a week. But its not the case isnt? You are afraid it will divide playerbase from RoR server into the new one and its justified thinking. Because of disregard to community shown here by certain staff members and changing game into something that isnt WAR that players loved and wanted to continue to play.

If you're going to continue to justify this, I'll be happy to remove you as well. Given your past history and attitude I see little more than veiled antagonism right now.

[simtex]

Guys, stealing is bad, so we are clear here.Common sense and stuff, everyone whos disagrees have some moral compass problems.

P.S. Tried to find this second server for the whole 15 mins - failed. False alarm.

It's a bit of a grey area. While the code- updates they've made are new- the rest of the content of ror is technically stolen.
I remember there was talk about the Russians wanting to open up their own server but that was a few years? Ago... it will also most likely, as others have said, consist of toxic players.

When you paid 60$ to play this game it was run by a service. You also paid for that service as long as it was running. We didn't steal the game we took over the service and no one gave us the code for the service. Now someone else has stolen the code of the service that we provide. Is that simple enough for you?

Well, why did the certain individual steal 'your' property? Was it again just for no reason but jealousy? I get the feeling something has happened behind the scenes where an actual developer was a victim of misconduct. Given the attitude you use towards a large portion of the playerbase i wouldnt be surprised if this was the case.

I seriously doubt the new server is nothing to worry about for you guys, merely an attempt to create drama. Which you have succeeded quite nicely with yourself.

[Hargrim]

Yes. But you refuse to see bigger picture and only focus on that part. With content playerbase and decent relation level between community and staff nobody would be interested to hopping to that new server. One unhpapy staff member and few dozen banned players? That server wont last a week. But its not the case isnt? You are afraid it will divide playerbase from RoR server into the new one and its justified thinking. Because of disregard to community shown here by certain staff members and changing game into something that isnt WAR that players loved and wanted to continue to play.

There is no bigger picture tho. The team is making this game and can make it however they want. Team is not your bitch and is not to catter to your particular idea of what WAR is or should be. This is sad, I know, but that's a reality.

But. If there were always respect coming from players I can guarantee you that there would be no bad relations between team and community.

[Martok]

@Nameless...i was thinking the same, they will stroke their epeen together for a month and than will just quit bcs you know...the **** wont code itself

I agree, the same reaction predominated as I read the OP. I have been here long enough to have interacted with a few of the players Wargrimnir referred to as the toxic community banned from RoR. I recall one in particular, a Dwarf player, who displayed a particularly vile nature right up until the last moment when his ban took hold. I would bet real money that guy is part of this offshoot server, and knowing that's the case I don't want anything to do with with the cesspool their server will be built on.

I sympathize with the RoR team in regard to this theft. All I can say, for whatever it may be worth, is I, and I know others here, truly appreciate your work and hope you will keep it up. No system is perfect, but you guys have done amazing work here and I hope there is some solace to be found in that knowledge.

[Gravord]

Yes. But you refuse to see bigger picture and only focus on that part. With content playerbase and decent relation level between community and staff nobody would be interested to hopping to that new server. One unhpapy staff member and few dozen banned players? That server wont last a week. But its not the case isnt? You are afraid it will divide playerbase from RoR server into the new one and its justified thinking. Because of disregard to community shown here by certain staff members and changing game into something that isnt WAR that players loved and wanted to continue to play.

If you're going to continue to justify this, I'll be happy to remove you as well. Given your past history and attitude I see little more than veiled antagonism right now.

You do see irony right? Im talking about disregard, disrespect and resorting to ban threats for speaking up anything you dont agree with, and you do just that.
What my past history? Enlighten me, please. Silly changes to melee wp giving him speed buff on twice shorter cd than actual melee classes? Its still ridiculous "balance". Nothing changed on that topic, which i was already threaten with ban for saying when it happened.
Exactly this attitude you just show, once again, is reason why playerbase is open for new options in the first place. Nobody would give slightest **** about new server if not this kind of behavior paired with unreasonable class changes.
So go ahead, keep banning everyone who dare to talk anything other than aplaud and wonder why you loose playerbase. The honest, non cheating/exploiting one, but simple players who want to continue play WAR they loved.

[heygamers]

Claiming theft as if the code you are sitting on is even 1/10th your own doing is so **** dishonest it's unbelievable. Az and Londo did ALL of the coding work on this server, you guys have done absolutely nothing since they left besides your custom server events and class balancing.

Gunbad, and the instance manager needed to even make it possible was nearly finished and was Londo's work.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out who is at the helm of this new server seeing as it already is going to have content you would never in 10 years be able to put out yourselves. And there's only 2 people who could possibly have the skill or motivation to do so, and one of them quit forever in an autistic fit.

You treat the playerbase like trash, you don't even bother looking for a real source developer after they all left and let content stagnate for what a year or more now?

[Hargrim]

You do see irony right? Im talking about disregard, disrespect and resorting to ban threats for speaking up anything you dont agree with, and you do just that.
What my past history? Enlighten me, please. Silly changes to melee wp giving him speed buff on twice shorter cd than actual melee classes? Its still ridiculous "balance". Nothing changed on that topic, which i was already threaten with ban for saying when it happened.
Exactly this attitude you just show, once again, is reason why playerbase is open for new options in the first place. Nobody would give slightest **** about new server if not this kind of behavior paired with unreasonable class changes.
So go ahead, keep banning everyone who dare to talk anything other than aplaud and wonder why you loose playerbase. The honest, non cheating/exploiting one, but simple players who want to continue play WAR they loved.

How many times you want to say the same thing? It's like your, you know, opinion, man. Usually stating it once is enough.