Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear

[nailinthehead]

The direct heal portion of the lifetap abilities can crit and uses the offensive crit stat on top of a baseline 10% crit chance (similar to other heal abilities).

Now that's an interesting information. Thank you for that, I wish this could be found somewhere in the wiki... I always interpreted the skill description as a flat value.

The lifetap portion indeed is proportionate to the damage dealt, which, besides others, is a function of the target's armor + Toughness + dmg% reductions.
I don't think it's possible to "remove guard" for the calculation of the lifetap, let alone JUST the heal that comes from the lifetap ability. At best you could make Detaunts less effective/completely ineffective against lifetap abilities (see Choppa/SL, Kotbs/BG tactics), but that conditional effect might be quite hard to code and should also lead to a Dps increase for shield healers which is probably not intended.

If some lifetap skills are to be adjusted, imo it should be in their values and not in their fundamental functions.

I'm looking for some way to mitigate multiple punishments melee healing is suffering without overpowering it. Dry base values look good, but when you start to apply all effects rotated in the melee range, they are reduced to minimum via mentioned variables + disarms, roots and KDs. I'm afraid that if base values are increased, complaints will immediately start about how unkillable WP is (what was the main reason the HD was implemented I guess).

[gyps]

Just two things under my opinion:

Some more mobility like adding an extra speed to "Sigmar's Shield" when casted on yourself to engage in combat asap.
Some extra aoe healing when you are not engaged like modifying "Pious Restoration" to mimic "Restoring hand" while wielding a Shield.

More mobile, heal a little bit more and lets see how it performs.

[kpihuss]

Well, I’m still sticking to the same idea:

Shield healers should be very strong in melee and, in exchange, very weak when they are outside of close combat.

Giving them healing abilities that are not lifetaps turns them into exactly what they should not be: casters.

In my opinion, all of their healing should be based on pure lifetaps, with no casted heals. At most, if they are going to have any healing tools that can be used outside of melee, they should work through mechanics similar to *Sacrifice*: you damage yourself in order to heal your party, for example.

The philosophy should be very simple:

You’re not in melee → you barely heal.
You’re in melee → you heal a lot.

That risk should be precisely what justifies their extremely high healing output when they are fully engaged in melee combat.

The problem right now is that roughly 80% of a WP’s healing comes from “casted” heals that are affected by healing debuffs, while only around 15% comes from lifetaps. If those proportions were reversed, with lifetaps slightly strengthened to compensate, I think that would be the ideal situation.

This data are from hit the training constructs on Altdorf

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[Gargis]

I looked at your spec build, and the situation for you and your groups is worse than you think.

No Cleansing power tactic, and not even sure you would have the time to weave cleanses in your rotation. Even if you wanted to use it, something would have to be delayed in its application q rotation.

So, no real way for that spec to attenuate backload burst. See recent magus PTS tests. I would love to see your tests on self defense and healing output compared to Salvation WP if you use cleansed q 5s.

Obviously something would have to decreased if you tried, either self defenses, healing output, and/or both.

I could not discern if any of your test took in consideration of CP being used ~ q 5s by Salvation WP and what would be the difference in healing would be. What we can't see might be just as, if not more important.

Remember, this is the spec that pulled Divine Radiance of Wrath spec. Does it seem like a good trade to you now?

[kpihuss]

Weekly Shield WP

Sample

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Period: 21/08 to 24/08

Global dataset:
Scenarios downloaded:        3,785
Scoreboard entries:         65,453
Sigmar's Will detections:      397
Scenarios with Shield WP:       273

Level 40 period-detected Shield WP:
Entries: 168
Players: 15

Strict same-scenario Sigmar's Will entries:
Entries: 83
Players: 14

Comparable entries vs Order healers before min-sample filter:
Entries: 68
Players: 14
Scenarios: 67

Minimum sample filter:

* Minimum 3 comparable SCs per player
* Removed: 5 entries
* Removed players: 5

Final comparable sample:
Entries:   63
Players:    9
Scenarios: 62

Sample note

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Final sample by scenario:
Talabec Dam:              23
Reikland Hills:           22
Battle for Praag:          7
Blood of the Black Cairn:  3
Lost Temple of Isha:       3
Gates of Ekrund:           2
Maw of Madness:            2
Caledor Woods:             1

Global result

All tables below use only the final comparable sample.

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SC  WP  RR    Win%   Heal/min  Heal%   HealO/min  HealO%
63   9  78.3  68.3%  12.11k    105.3%  9.21k      91.9%

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Dmg     Dmg%   KillDmg  KillDmg%  Kill%  Dmg/Heal
29.58k  42.5%  9.55k    39.0%     32.3%  28.8%

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ProtO/min  ProtO%  ProtRecv/min  ProtRecv%  Deaths  Deaths%  Res  SelfProt
1.04k      54.3%   3.45k         257.2%     1.0     109.0%   0.6  64.5%

By player

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Player        SC  RR    Win%    Heal/min  Heal%   HealO/min  HealO%
Pxxxxxxxxxxx  20  75.4   50.0%  11.72k     96.0%   9.00k      86.7%
Rxxxxx         8  90.0   75.0%  17.66k    175.3%  13.95k     156.6%
Axxxxx         6  85.0   83.3%   5.47k     36.2%   3.89k      27.7%
Sxxxxxx        6  82.0   66.7%  14.26k    126.5%  11.18k     112.3%
Cxxxxxx        5  76.0   80.0%  17.05k    159.2%  13.29k     138.7%
Gxxxxxxx       5  68.0   60.0%   6.14k     47.1%   3.58k      31.6%
Hxxxx          5  63.4  100.0%  11.74k    131.8%   9.29k     119.8%
Kxxxxx         4  85.0  100.0%   9.77k    114.8%   7.51k     109.1%
Uxxxx          4  82.0   50.0%  13.86k    125.2%   9.38k      98.9%

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Player        Dmg     Dmg%   KillDmg  KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%
Pxxxxxxxxxxx  26.13k  41.1%   7.49k    33.5%     26.4%   222.2%
Rxxxxx        33.96k  57.1%   9.04k    47.3%    101.9%   274.5%
Axxxxx        14.16k  20.3%   6.62k    33.1%     39.3%   158.9%
Sxxxxxx       44.03k  40.9%  14.60k    45.4%     17.9%   824.8%
Cxxxxxx       31.71k  39.7%   6.97k    32.2%     50.4%   685.6%
Gxxxxxxx      28.50k  53.2%  12.85k    56.0%     19.5%   813.7%
Hxxxx         26.51k  35.8%  10.62k    27.5%    219.4%    87.6%
Kxxxxx        30.79k  40.7%   9.50k    35.6%    219.7%   141.5%
Uxxxx         40.88k  70.2%  15.54k    59.2%     71.8%   174.3%

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Player        Deaths  Deaths%  Res
Pxxxxxxxxxxx   1.0    105.3%   0.2
Rxxxxx         0.5     76.4%   0.5
Axxxxx         0.2     60.0%   0.7
Sxxxxxx        1.2     80.0%   0.8
Cxxxxxx        1.0    111.1%   1.0
Gxxxxxxx       1.4    140.0%   0.4
Hxxxx          1.8     90.0%   1.0
Kxxxxx         0.8    175.0%   0.2
Uxxxx          2.5    212.8%   1.8

By day

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Day    SC  WP  RR    Win%   Heal/min  Heal%   HealO%
21/08  13   4  79.3  76.9%   9.47k     97.7%  82.0%
22/08  31   7  80.5  64.5%  12.02k    111.0%  99.4%
23/08  12   4  71.8  75.0%  12.26k     97.0%  81.5%
24/08   7   4  77.9  57.1%  17.20k    108.1%  95.2%

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Day    Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths  Deaths%
21/08  33.6%   39.3%    53.5%   334.8%     0.7      81.2%
22/08  45.4%   44.3%    43.3%   187.2%     0.8     101.5%
23/08  45.3%   34.5%   108.4%   257.5%     1.6     154.1%
24/08  41.5%   30.9%    26.3%   960.3%     2.0     103.7%

By RR bracket

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RR     SC  WP  Win%   Heal/min  Heal%   HealO%
60-69  10   2  80.0%   8.94k     81.5%   67.5%
70-79  25   2  56.0%  12.78k    107.3%   96.4%
80-89  20   4  75.0%  10.64k     89.9%   75.4%
90+     8   1  75.0%  17.66k    175.3%  156.6%

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RR     Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths  Deaths%
60-69  43.1%   38.1%   106.4%   239.6%     1.6     106.7%
70-79  40.8%   33.2%    31.5%   276.9%     1.0     106.4%
80-89  39.7%   43.3%    44.8%   223.6%     1.1     124.8%
90+    57.1%   47.3%   101.9%   274.5%     0.5      76.4%

By scenario size

Small brackets should be read carefully.

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Players  SC  WP  Heal/min  Heal%   HealO%
<=11      2   2   7.02k    113.0%  116.2%
12-17    13   7  12.54k    144.0%  130.6%
18-23    18   7  11.18k    106.8%   94.5%
24       11   7  10.91k     92.4%   81.5%
25-35    16   6  14.94k    103.6%   87.3%
36+       3   2   8.56k     51.5%   40.7%

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Players  Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths%
<=11     44.6%   60.3%     37.1%    77.9%        -
12-17    41.6%   32.8%     91.9%   241.3%     84.8%
18-23    44.0%   37.8%     38.7%   349.6%    130.0%
24       46.1%   39.4%     65.2%   138.5%    121.2%
25-35    43.4%   49.6%     50.2%   333.0%    105.4%
36+      20.9%   30.1%     21.5%   123.5%     63.2%

By number of Order healers

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Order healers  SC  WP  Heal/min  Heal%   HealO%
<=3            38   9  12.22k    113.4%  100.8%
4-5            17   6  11.83k     86.7%   72.6%
6+              8   5  12.21k    117.2%  104.3%

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Order healers  Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths%
<=3            45.7%   36.6%     51.8%   215.7%    104.4%
4-5            36.4%   36.5%     56.2%   328.3%    136.6%
6+             41.8%   64.3%     64.4%   272.1%     94.1%

Short reading

After requiring at least 3 comparable SCs per player, the final sample is:

The global result is:

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Winrate:                              68.3%

Heal/min vs other Order healers:     105.3%
Heal others/min vs Order healers:     91.9%

Damage vs average active DPS:         42.5%
Kill damage vs active DPS:            39.0%

Protection to others vs healers:      54.3%
Protection received vs healers:      257.2%
Deaths vs healers:                   109.0%

[fatelvis]

Interesting, feels like staring at the matrix. Are we good or bad now, though? (Hey mum, I'm in Kpis charts! :> )
That info regarding melee crit applies to heal crit for the regular heal part is kinda crazy, though. Now I know why the veteran(s) stacks heavy melee crit and I feel like I rushed the sovereign shopping a bit grabbing all the def focused parts.
That mechanic was and still is well hidden, no idea where one should get that hint to plan the build accordingly.