Balancing Order Tanks

[GodlessCrom]

Slayer+dps IB could then be paired with snb kotbs and whispering winds spec sm for extra lols. If they make FO the divine fury of tank tactics, ie. You're now a mdps not a tank, then I could see that opening some other group configs where 2h ib sees some use. Not that it's bad now, but hey, I will always accept more damage

[Penril]

I'm gonna need someone to make me a tl;dr version of this thread

[GodlessCrom]

1: make auras targeted aoe shouts.

2: aoe snares should only have 50% uptime.

3: Chosen is underpowered, says Chosen players, please don't nerf.

4: footpatrol disapproves of all of this nonsense.

[Cimba]

I would like to add that tanks being able to fill up a viable DPS slot, when speccing for it, is a good thing.

Just as Bretin fully dedicated himself his mdok to dps back when lvlcap was 32-35; he was FULLY dedicated to push out as much dps as possible to a point where he used the torture main attack over the transfer essence attack since it idd like 20 damage more per hit.

While I believe that for a SM it is simply not needed to use FO since GWM/PE/BA/DO pretty much already give enough dps. It does allow IB to fill a proper dps slot, especially when coupled with a slayer.

Well I believe this is discussed in the FO thread currently. In general I agree however I share some of the objections. When a tank can outdamage some of the heavier utility dps like marauder or SW I could live with that. You trade one type of utility for another type. However when they can reach BW/Sorc or Slayer/Choppa level while retaining all their utility we maybe need to talk again.

[Rebuke]

I would like to add that tanks being able to fill up a viable DPS slot, when speccing for it, is a good thing.

Just as Bretin fully dedicated himself his mdok to dps back when lvlcap was 32-35; he was FULLY dedicated to push out as much dps as possible to a point where he used the torture main attack over the transfer essence attack since it idd like 20 damage more per hit.

While I believe that for a SM it is simply not needed to use FO since GWM/PE/BA/DO pretty much already give enough dps. It does allow IB to fill a proper dps slot, especially when coupled with a slayer.

Well I believe this is discussed in the FO thread currently. In general I agree however I share some of the objections. When a tank can outdamage some of the heavier utility dps like marauder or SW I could live with that. You trade one type of utility for another type. However when they can reach BW/Sorc or Slayer/Choppa level while retaining all their utility we maybe need to talk again.

100% agree

[7rere7]

BlackGuard ,Black Orc don't have a 25% parry ability ,the IB does but it cost 15 grudge and last only 10sec and its placed on the least utilized tree ,so its fine.

KotBS have runefang tactic : increasing strength and weapon skill by 240 . Giving shield spec damage on par with 2h damage.

SM,Chosen 25%parry ability should definitely be reworked .

BG has Elite Training (allows you to easily Parry the next 4 attacks)
Bork has weapon skill buff (+% some parry)

And dont forget BG also has Anger Drives Me. An easy 30% parry that's ever present. Doesn't make BG any better for it though. More defense isn't what any tank need. The problem is how to create diversity.

I don't see why people yell ''nerf this ! Don't nerf that !'' To me all this has nothing to do with nerf or not, just how can we make all tanks desirable in a lot of different group comp.

Elite training :4 parry attacks every 30 seconds is not worth using the ability ,only with AP gain .
Follow my lead : Is a small increase in parry% almost insignificant and would need to be specd into the Boss tree high in order to get full use out of it ,the Brawler tree is used 80% of the time by BO's.

These abilities don't touch SM/Chosen Eagles flight and Suppression abilities ,not even close.

I can add other abilities and tactic's for the SM and Chosen to increase their parry to but that not the problem.

[Tesq]

Most of. ppl here still wondering about what should be done...sy bit form me is pretty clear start with CC

-Bo snare tactic should have 1 min CD ( same CD for have a cross mire cc from another classes like BG moral KB and SM morale snare ( since is not a morale and so not undefitable 30 sec would go)).

-Kobs snare with a SM CD decrease can be spammed and it's even more op than the black ork one while under a immunity or a nice flow of cleanse. It should be totally rethinked.

-Kobs no escape put the duration to 5 sec as the BO M3 silence


- nerf chosen\kobs\ib super punt CD

-Chosen\kobs increase the lenght of the stag + remove the CD ( why sm\bo KB have no CD ? Both CC give immunity but only the stag have a CD. Or if any wanna climb over thebwall of the bo\sm meccanic and the chosen cripple strike tactic; give it 5 sec CD

-Chosen make that silence on discord path require a disrupt and silence aoe for 5 sec + the currently effect

-Buff BG super punt CD.


And this just about CC and as very easy start


@ppl still using the elite training talk or the parry tactic for the argument BG is def enough. should all reroll a 2h BG (which is what put BG on par with other tanks) and then compare it vs a 2h SM def channeling. Afterward fellnbad for what they have wrote and ask forgiveness.

[TenTonHammer]

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bg; ... ;;;0:0:0:0:


For the record for ANYONE who says that 2H Bg is "tanky" due to parry tactic + ET

I want to point out that the spec is not possible while having the tools to even remotly justify going 2H on BG

CD, hastened doom, crit tactic, enraged beating and unstoppable fury are all basically mandatory for the spec, going the parry tactic means that you can't run soul killer which is kinda too good to not use since it's no CD outgoing hdbuff that debuffs healing more than 50% due to wp debuff from mind killer

The spec already kinda has a "mandatory" set of tactics that it needs and can't afford to really deviate or suffer reduction to it's already limited viability

[Stmichael1989]

I only brought up things like suppression/eagles flight etc. as a way of pointing out that knights are built around being a walking buff and guard machine with a multitarget snare. It's terrible class design, but that really is all they have. If all that's involved in nerfing knights is making their shouts more involved rather than fire and forget, that's reasonable. More than that would require that their own staying power be buffed to be more comparable to other tanks, IE Chosen.

[jorgemarco]

When i see someone asking for buffs in tanks i can just laugh. Destru for example IS absurdly full of tanks and them feel op as **** and unbalance this Game. Tanks in general should be lowered in my opinión.