Guarding squishies as a BG

[Stilton]

Erytime i put guard on someone.. they die.. almost as if the guard makes the situation worse.

Rather, lets say im in an SC and i see a marauder with 10% health.. barely surviving.. i run over to help mitigate some dmg hes taking, put my guard on him and he dies quicker?


What i can't work out:
- do i just have the worlds worst luck.. (not as bad as the dps im guarding i guess)
- could this be lag (anyway i can see my ping ingame?)


it does seem more like a bug so im off to look on the bugtracker..

[TenTonHammer]

bad luck tbt

just because your mitigating dmg dosnt mean the target still cant die

[boog]

It happens to the best of us. I think what we have here is not a guard bug but rather you are having an issue utilizing it properly. Don't wait to put it on them @10% health at that point they are already more than likely going to die as people will be saving their big power attacks to finish them off, CC them, and attract more people to help finish them off. If you are rushing to them at 10% and aren't already in guard range (which is like 15 or 30 feet) you are just wasting your time more often then not.

You need to be guarding them WAY before 10% rolls around. You need to see whose health is dropping the fastest and by the time they reach 40-50% you need to have already put guard on them and be in guard range if not nearly there. You also have to CC the person dishing out the most DMG to your target. Taking half their DMG isn't the same as stopping it. Especially with BG you have the longest punt distance and longest knock down duration in game you should not have an issue temporarily stopping DMG from multiple attackers, especially if you use Away Cretins!

[Stilton]

@boog - no.
I dont have any punt, im in tier3.
the reason the guy is low hp is because i just got to him.. not because i waited till he was 10% health to put guard on? why would anyone do that.



Here's the thing though, ive seen guard working like its supposed to and i've seen it 100% doing something wrong..

I know its working like its supposed to when i stand next to a squishy and i -actually- take some of the damage hes getting hit with.

Pretty sure there's a guard-specific sound effect or something too? I know there's definately some indication that you're getting redirected guard damage..



But i'm 99% something is broken if a squishy has my guard on him and hes getting shredded in an SC, and im standing next to him but i get no damage...?
At that point i have to question where the bug is, not if there's a bug.. Because that shouldn't be happening right?

I should've taken some damage?
At that point i'm starting to wonder things like - 'what is my ping like'

[boog]

If you are level 25, which is in tier 3, u do have a punt it is called exile and if it isn't rank 25 then it is at least at level 28 as I have a Blackguard at level 28 with punt. So u are either sub 25 or unaware you have the ability.

I don't know why anyone would do that but that is exactly what your initial post describes you doing.

Erytime i put guard on someone.. they die.. almost as if the guard makes the situation worse.

Rather, lets say im in an SC and i see a marauder with 10% health.. barely surviving.. i run over to help mitigate some dmg hes taking, put my guard on him and he dies quicker?

To break down what you said
1. You see someone at 10% health
2. You run to them, presumably to be within guard range
3. Then you put your guard on, or if guard was already applied, you are now within range of your guarded target

Regardless of when the guard was applied if you just got within guard range of your guarded target by the time they reach 10% health it is essentially the same as having not applied guard to them at all until they reached 10% health because having guard on them and being out of guard range is the same as that person not having guard at all.

In which case, refer to my initial response regarding guard being utilized effectively.

Make sure the guard is actually being applied then. Are you using any addons to help track it? If you aren't I would recommend using GES.

Ping might be an issue but that would unfortunately, as I am sure you are aware, an issue in your end

[Stilton]

" You need to be guarding them WAY before 10% rolls around. "

That's what i take issue with... If i got to him and he has 10% health, its not through choice..
The wording you used suggests that i should've been there before he was 10% health, because of circumstances i was not.
The difference is between circumstance and negligence.. The implication in your wording being that it was my fault and a 'tactical error'.




Finally, i dont know why i said t3..
im not sure where i am, t2 i guess... around 21, 22.. i just got the broken crit tactic..

But like i said, i dont have the punt.




Perhaps i'll just reply to other people since you seem adamant that its something i'm doing wrong and, its the air of superiority and the quickness of blaming it as 'user error' that kind of irks me.

[bloodi]

If when you get to him, he is 10%, the problem is either that you will not near to him already in the first place or that the guy you are guarding is a complete dumbfuck that you should not be guarding anyway.

Either way, is on you to solve that.

[Stilton]

Possibly, not what i asked though


It's fine.. ill try and record some gameplay of it happening, then you can all bitch about i dunno.. my desktop wallpaper or whatever.

[stillwaterww]

Also remember that any squishy that you guard gets an instant god complex and thinks he's invincible thus attracting a lot more damage

[bloodi]

I love threads that ask for help and then refuse to accept any of it.

"I want advice but only advice that says that is not my fault, if you are not going to say its a bug, dont post".

Guard is not bugged, guard doesnt make anyone take more damage. Dont bother looking at the bugtracker, if there was a problem with guard, people already on t4 would have discovered it much earilier than you.