Knight Stagger

[freshour]

Okay this seems to only come up in premades or with the better Knights. I know it is a morale, pretty sure it is 3 or 4. But how are they getting this up within 20-30 seconds of combat? I know M1/2 can be pretttttty fast. But when fighting certain premades (we aren't allowed to name names) - I see this stagger almost immediately within the first round of melee.

Sure for some classes it's not that big of a deal, but for many its pretty freaking OP. For 10 seconds I cannot move. I can take full damage and even be KD'd after this over. So normally... as a melee DoK it goes like this. Run into combat take out 1 or 2 them while my 2h chosen crippling strikes them and then all of the sudden 10 second stagger. The many range dps of order (we've already had this chat) wear me down and no detaunt, hot, heal will keep me from dropping and right as the stagger is up, boom knock down, so we are now around 13-15 seconds of me unable to attack anyone granted they don't run into the melee DoK who is incapable of doing any type of damage/healing while staggered.

I never and I mean never complain when I am outplayed. I take every single beating as a lesson to learn from. I even FRAPS the majority of my PVP's and i'll watch them when I'm bored or q's are slow to see if I actually the play the way I think I do, and see if I can pick up on anything else. I guess this stems from trying to be competitive in any game I play including one I missed out on the live version.

So my question is before I go to bugtracker or whatnot. Is this a legit thing that is going on? Should a Knight be at M3 within the first 20-30 seconds of combat? Do the planets have to align and there needs to be an absolutely perfect party comp for this happen to do this so I can then say well they are using X Y and Z to do this which doesn't normally happen? I could live with that.

Or is there actually something "sketchy" going on? I put this in general discussion to have a discussion on methods used for doing this as well as if anyone has heard any sketchy things going on and I urge you to pm a GM about it and not post it on the forums as we are well aware that is against the TOS.

Finally - if this is in fact legit or WAI (working as intended) - does destro have some ways of doing this? Seeing that with RvR so slow quite a few more organized order groups with dual knight's are around so is it time for Resolute defense? I'd like this to be a civil discussion, but in regards to knight's yes you are an extremely overpowered class that offers more benefits to your party than any other tank in the game - i hope everyone understands that and realizes that arguing with that is beyond silly... With all of this under consideration could some of the more knowledgeable forum warriors enlighten me other than the usual "L2P bro"? - Thanks

Dawm/Convert.

[Telen]

Id be more concerned with the 20% crit they give to their group. Thats the big disparity.

[Bozzax]

KOTBS M3 root "No Escape" which is the best Morale (3) in the game.

The "better knights" likely stack +morale gear. That is what makes them "better" knights.

@Telen
+20% crits and +10% heal crits to be precise

[criollo]

bolstering boon.

and destro build morale even faster.

[roadkillrobin]

Its a root. So the reason you struggle with it is that you play a healer class as a melee damage dealer wich doesn't have a root/snare removal. Since its a morale abillity it can't be cleansed or CW either. So this is more of a indivdual case problem then a ballance one.
The morale is very strong. Its the best non m4 tank morale in the game. Is it OP? Id say yes it is but only coz its a Kotbs morale. I personally would like to see it moved to SMs or IBs

[Ashoris]

bolstering boon.

and destro build morale even faster.

As criollo mentioned - they propably have an free AM spamming Boon of Hysh (the major single heal) with the slotted tactic bolstering boon (gives 250 morale per cast of Boon of hysh) - you have 2 options , pressure the AM, or drain morale

and destro can do this even better

[Kazekiri]

M3 is a 10 sec aoe ROOT
Heaven's Fury is a 3 sec aoe STAGGER
it's totally different

[Bozzax]

Focused Mind M2?

Not sure I believe "better" knights play in groups with AMs.

[kok]

Are you sure it is a KOTBS?
Could be a WL.
Their is a M1 and it has a longer range.

[thullonse]

Id be more concerned with the 20% crit they give to their group. Thats the big disparity.

yea lets go give chosen the ability to buff 20% crit aswell so double marauder groups can run even more rampant LUL