Warhammer converted to Pathfinder

[rockblood]

Needing a little help with this. I'm trying to convert the warhammer fantasy orc into pathfinder as a monster and all I'm looking for right now is opinions on what the orcs stats would be and maby what all it can do. I know they would have high strength and high constitution with clumsy dexterity and low intellect, wisdom, and charisma but I'm pretty bad with numbers so anyone got opinions on what these would be from 1 to 20 with 10 being the average? As for special abilities all i can think of is fast healing and being able to build up itself into a frenzy. Would love all the help i can get thank you.

[bobthehero]

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-rac ... es/arg-orc

Add a con bonus to that (probably up to 14), remove light sensitivity. Give them large size (more strenght easier to hit)

What's the CR you're aiming for?

[rockblood]

The DM is aiming for a CR of 6 but I don't know if 6 would be to big for just a standard warhammer orc. Thats really the big question is would a standard warhammer orc be suitable as a playable race or are they just to outlandish and monsterous that they are only monsters?

[bobthehero]

They're pretty much monsters that work together. Kinda like the PF orcs, but bigger (but upon reading up on the PF size categories, not big enough to be ''large'', I was wrong) and uh, green, I guess.

For CR6: bump their strenght to 18 and give them 5HD with 14-16 con as well as wpn focus ''the weapon they use'', gives them 9 attack bonus to hit and power attack, of course.

This is pretty low, as far as CR6 goes I guess, but if he wants to swarm you guys with it, it should do.

Oh, one thing I forgot, if they have poor dex and light leather-ish armor, give them some natural armor, to represent their toughness further.

[Telen]

The DM is aiming for a CR of 6 but I don't know if 6 would be to big for just a standard warhammer orc. Thats really the big question is would a standard warhammer orc be suitable as a playable race or are they just to outlandish and monsterous that they are only monsters?

Black Orcs the largest variety are a sub species bred by the Chaos Dwarves. They had much higher strength, intelligence and organization than regular Orcs. Unfortunately for the Dwarves they kept their typical Orcish independence, rebelled and almost wiped the Chaos Dwarves out.

[rockblood]

Oh so their not dumber then PF orcs? I was thinking they were X3. Ok so Higher str and higher con then a pf orc thank you ^^.

Ok that is something I didnt know XD had no idea the chaos dwarves made the black orcs lol learn something new every day. Ok so the black orc sub species should be even higher str with higher int and wis im guessing?

[Telen]

Yes Black Orcs are very different to regular Orcs. They see other Greenskins and their constant squabbles as beneath them. When they aren't fighting they are cleaning and repairing their gear for the next fight. They were bred to be the shock troops of the Chaos Dwarves armies. Good leadership and intelligence (for orcs). The Chaos Dwarves made the perfect warriors. Orcs that were disciplined, intelligent, never tired and only ever thought of the next battle. Problem is like all orcs they only follow those stronger than themselves. The Chaos Dwarves were not. Thats why their are no more Chaos Dwarves.

They do differ to PF in many ways. They aren't a proper part of the greenskin social structure. Black Orc units fight alone on the battlefield and will not join the other greenskins and see their only use as gear carriers. They don't understand things like honor or vengeance and only respect strength. They aren't the selfish cruel orcs or the honorable savages you see in most western ips. They don't do anything for petty reasons only to continually show their strength. Even when slaughtering thousands of Goblins or taking dwarf beards. It may seem cruel but it only that they respect strength and want to show theirs whenever possible. They are the only Orc that will leave a Waaagh before its over if at some point they find there is no more enemy worth fighting.

The most famous example being Grimgor who after besting Archaeon the Everchosen and having the Empire at his mercy proclaimed 'Grimgor iz da Best' then just left the Waaagh. No one left worth fighting.

They are ALOT bigger and stronger than PF orcs. Probably lower intel, wisdom and charisma after all they have been bred to just constantly war. Strength is the only thing they understand and don't get on with anyone except other black orcs. They are what the Uruks are to Orc in Tolkien.

[rockblood]

Awesome so black orcs are smarter then the standard warhammer orcs but dumber then PF orcs. lets see so a standard orc would have 18 str, ummm i came up with 9 dex, and 16 con. For the mind stuff im thinking 3-5 int, 4-6 wis, and 2-4 cha maby. black orcs probably be something like 20 str, 7 or 8 dex, 18 con, 6 int, 7 wis, and 5 cha? maby a even lower cha since black orcs dont get along with anything?

[Telen]

Strength of creatures in warhammer is quite high by fantasy standards it may need scaling to fit other games standards.. A regular big un orc would likely have strength 20. That would be quite weak for a Black Orc. That the largest bosses can rival the strength of the everchosen you're talking 24+ for those. Remember they arent like Tolkien Orcs these are true monsters more like trolls and ogres. They also never tire. Dexterity they are slow but they aren't uncoordinated and can fight with good discipline in rank. 6 for int seems right. Wisdom little higher they are capable of planning and tactics which most other orcs except bosses arent. Charismas right they don't really like anyone and are not aware of anything outside their own group and the next fight.

Black Orc are a specials choice on the TT and cost twice a normal Orc. Its abit confusing in the mmo having Black Orcs with Choppa and Goblins as really you wouldn't start at the bottom as a Black Orc you're already the best of the Orcs troops.In PF they would be like a particularly unpleasant short troll.

[rockblood]

ok so a regular orc with nothing added to it would be a str of 20 or is big un orc just liek a regular orc but its lived long enough to get bigger and better? because right now im only looking for stats on a regluar orc as a starting block for the other versions of the orcs like the orc boar boyz and black orcs. oooooh ok so instead of looking at the pf orc for comparison i should be looking at the pf troll and ogre for comparison on the black orc thank you ^^. so probably average dex and hmmm 8 or 9 wis? maby average 10? yea my friend wasnt to thrilled when they took out the dwarf hammerer and replaced it with the dwarf slayer for the same reason. you cant start out as a slayer and they dont wear armor.