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alphaonezero10
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Max AA Haste/Attck speed?

Post#1 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:18 pm

I was just wondering what, is the cap on AA haste and if there is a limit on how low auto attack speed can be?

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Sulorie
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Re: Max AA Haste/Attck speed?

Post#2 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:34 am

100 aa haste results in 100% more aa in a given time frame. When combining several aa buffs in a group, item bonuses and tactics you can get slightly above 100 haste on some classes.
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Aurandilaz
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Re: Max AA Haste/Attck speed?

Post#3 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:21 am

it's impossible to get it anywhere close to 0 sec and truly hard to get below 1s here.

weapon speed / (1 + AA haste modifier (0.xx + 0.xx + 0.xx...)) = swing speed

so say a normal 2.4 weapon with 0 Haste modifiers = 2.4 speed.
2.4 weapon and 25 haste modifier;
2.4 / 1.25 = 1.92, should be rounded towards 1.9
2.4 weap and 50 haste stack;
2.4 / 1.5 = 1.6 swing speed


lets try finding some extreme.
take a WE, who should be famous for their small swift daggers (except standard endgame weapons have 2.4 speed which is same as normal class swords so nuh noh)
find one of the rarer daggers with sub-2s speed,like T4 inf reward, which should be 1.6 sec assuming no ninjanerf that I have forgotten about:
Stacking AA haste stacks; all of them you can get hands on:
Sacrificial Stab +50, RedEye +25, Conq Shoulder +10, BO buff +20, Choppa buff +35
that is unless I remember wrong or something again got changed and I forgot to update my own memories;
1.6 / 1 + 1.4 = 0.667 rounded up towards 0.7 if you max try hard fast weapons, but SS spec is atm weaker compared to WB spec and good luck getting both BO and Choppa to buff you at same time or running weird gear setups that otherwise gimp your dmg - and with some "fixed" now Kisses won't even fire more than once a second so nah, too much.

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Gangan
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Re: Max AA Haste/Attck speed?

Post#4 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:50 am

BOs Waaaaaagh! buffs no longer haste, but 25%AA-dmg
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Gangan - SH 75 .... Blumnmoscha - BO 63
Scophis - Zealot 73 .... Drengur - WP 64
Iznogoud - Sham 50+ .... Bixo - Engie 50+
Apogemoth - Magus 40+ .... Loarelle - AM 65
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roadkillrobin
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Re: Max AA Haste/Attck speed?

Post#5 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:12 am

Gangan wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:50 am BOs Waaaaaagh! buffs no longer haste, but 25%AA-dmg
Really? Another synnergy lost with Skull Thumper then. Found that was a pretty cleaver change consider BO lost 3hitcombo with S&B builds.
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Bregon
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Re: Max AA Haste/Attck speed?

Post#6 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:38 am

There was a period on live where slayers had aa haste on t4 gear and were melting people, i wondered what all the fuss was about and at the time the only WL gear with AA haste was from sewers dungeon which was t2 i believe, i dropped my t4 gear and had massively inferior stats but with AA speed of i think 0.7-0.8 it was broken as hell(guardian pre patch was nothing compared to this) and soon after that i saw almost every WL using it and then the nerf came and quite rightly but it was interesting for me as generally im last to find out about things like this but on this rare occasion i was one of the first. I have no idea how this got past testing but im glad the ror guys sorted this as it was game breaking. Sorry about this nostalgic moment but remember it well :D

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roadkillrobin
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Re: Max AA Haste/Attck speed?

Post#7 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:07 am

Theres a video on youtube from pre AA nerf, with a Slayer having 0 AA swing time with a great weapon and 1-shoting tanks.

https://youtu.be/mFRKzMpgUxA
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Alsayr
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Re: Max AA Haste/Attck speed?

Post#8 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:47 pm

BTW set from ToVL - Tyrant before nerf have bonus 50, after nerf have 25 attack haste bonus for melee dps. But we must wait for this instance ;-).
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Shaco
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Re: Max AA Haste/Attck speed?

Post#9 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:29 pm

cap: 1h weapon 0.7
2h weapon 1.4

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roadkillrobin
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Re: Max AA Haste/Attck speed?

Post#10 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:41 pm

Alsayr wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:47 pm BTW set from ToVL - Tyrant before nerf have bonus 50, after nerf have 25 attack haste bonus for melee dps. But we must wait for this instance ;-).
They also changed the calculation. If im not mistaken 100% AA haste used to mean that swing time was reduced to 0. This calculation was exeptionally good for 2hander builds as they were gaining a better deal then dual weild in pay of.
Post nerf calculation, 100% AA haste would net double the speed instead. (3 would be reduced to 1,5. And this is were dual wield take over 2 hander builds as it's simply the same dps increase.
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