Warhammer Reign of White Lions .

[Diggot]

It's time for this game to return to it's original name - Return of Reckoning,
White Lions has been severely overpowered for far too long without a slightest
acknowledgement from that devs on this issue.

I'm tired of seing this so called "working as intended" class jumping in and killing
at will in 2-3 seconds no matter what class you are. The class reeks of "overtuning"
with its pet that is tankier than a RR80 choppa in invander-set.

And if the ridiculously overtuned damage wasn't enough, their selfbuffs far exceeds
any other dps with 60% increase movementspeed, 50*% increase attackspeed,
and thier execute which most likely has a 100% chance for crit, can be macroed
to instantly hit the moment the target reaches 49% health or lower = dead.

This class has entierly too much damage and survivability when compared to it's mobility
and pounce being on a 10sec CD only, is just way too short CD, when other classes has their
mobility locked at 30sec CD.

White Lion players keep defending their class by saying "drain our AP / detaunt and kill the pet",
but how many classes has an AP-drain ability ready ?, and do you even know how tanky your
lion pet is ?. It's not like an engineer turret that dies in a DoT and 2 nukes.

White Lions currently has EVERYTHING. Superior selfbuffs, heavy armor-debuff,
very high survivability.. and INSANE burst damage.

Let's compare them to the choppa and slayer.. these 2 classes has ZERO survivability and
a mechanic that lowers this survivability even more.. no mobility, no burst, appaling self-buffs.

It's time for the devs to really take a look at this class and bring it down to all the other Mdps
and rebalance the class from having everything, to actually having to sacrifice one for the other.

Imagine if the Marauder has the Mobility, survivability and damage of the White Lion - they would
be nerfed instantly and order would cry havoc on the forums until it happened.

Maguses, Engineers and Squigherders rely just as much on their pets, but their pets
aren't even in the same ballpark in survivablity as the Lion.. My choppa can nuke
an Engineer's turret in a few swings and the engineer loses a ton of buffs,
but i can't even kill a Lion before the detaunt expires - not even close.

The class is way too strong and needs to be brought down.

/Edit: I can tell you that there is ALOT of destro that is really really tired of this class being so overpowered,
but the general consensus is "deal with it, the devs won't nerf WL because..... reasons".

[peterthepan3]

1. Guardian WL was toned down several months ago because it was overperforming; current state of WL is vanilla. Pet damage has increased across the board, so if anything were needing to be looked at in the WL arsenal, it would be this (and this alone).

2. A WL will only kill unguarded squishies within 2-3 seconds which, by the way, is their raison d'être as a frontloaded burst class.

3. If your Choppa is squishier than a pet, then I suggest you stop running around in Red, invest into some Futile Strikes, Initiative and Wounds, and learn how to use your detaunt better/run with a Guard (which you do not do).

4. There are 4 melee classes with executes: WP, DOK, WL & Marauder; WLs aren't the only ones.

5. Perhaps the WL has such mobility so as to help him counter Shamans and Squig Herders, who have some of the best racials (+mobility) ingame? Squig Herder also has a Charge ability - and it is a ranged dps! Please don't view things in a vacuum, and try to understand why something exists in the first place.

6. Why would you compare a frontloaded burst class to a sustained DPS class? Slayer and Choppa sustain is much more superior than that of the WL, and actually a 2H choppa can crit even higher than a WL.

7. Survivability on a well-played Choppa or Slayer is actually very good: please ask Ripgor or Rayzr for tips on surviving on a Choppa. You can stack crazy amounts of wounds with the tactic (9k+). Running around solo with no defensive stats whatsoever, permanently in Red, is not a basis for making such arguments.

8. Frontloaded burst aside, Marauder is infinitely more versatile and potent than the WL.

9. White Lions do not have the sustained of a Choppa or Slayer, they lack an Incoming Heal Debuff (***the only MDPS that lacks an Incoming HD, btw**), and their advantage over the other MDPS (i.e quick, on-demand burst) can be negated entirely by killing their pet.


Judging by your last comment re killing engineer turrets vs WL pets (btw WL pets are squishy as well, so I would question whether or not you are using an optimal rotation if you are having difficulties in disposing of their pet as a Choppa), it is clear to see that you are arguing from a solo perspective: Choppa is not one of the better solo classes, and a good WL or Engineer will - 9 times out of 10 - have no trouble disposing of a Choppa. With this in mind, I highly recommend reevaluating whether or not Choppa is the right class for you if you are dead set on playing without the sufficient levels of support that this class requires.

[Diggot]

8. Frontloaded burst aside, Marauder is infinitely more versatile and potent than the WL.

9. White Lions do not have the sustained of a Choppa or Slayer, they lack an Incoming Heal Debuff (***the only MDPS that lacks an Incoming HD, btw**), and their advantage over the other MDPS (i.e quick, on-demand burst) can be negated entirely by killing their pet.

I don't mean to be disrecpectful, but what game are you playing?. White Lion's pet is tanky has hell.

(And i don't play red on my choppa because.. of stupid non-rewarding mechanic - red is dead and Wot Rulez is useless)

If you don't think Lion-pets are tanky, try killing one with a non-RR80 full endgame gear class and see how
long it takes, compared to the other pets. I mean.. even maguses with deaemonology tree which focuses on pets,
aren't even close to Lions.

Also... Burst is KING in pvp. Sustained damage means nothing if you have BURST.
Burst beats Guard-swap. Sustained damage is easily mitigated by a guardswap .

Sorry if i come out disrecpetful in anyway. But when pretty much the whole of destro
are of the "silent" opinion that White Lions are overpowered as hell.... there's gotta be some truth to that.

[wargrimnir]

Nah. They're fine.