Sever as "bad" as people say or just QQ?

[Warpes]

So I've played off and on since the beginning, even back before abilities actually even worked and all you could do was barely run around.. Seen a whole lot of talk about "order bias" and some odd decisions by the devs for balance (torque), but many good ones as well. But I can't say I've been around for all of it, or been able to commit as much time into this server as I did on live..

So basically, I'm asking now.. and hoping that people can remain level headed in their answers. Are things really as "bad" as people are saying it is? I mean this server wouldn't have nearly as many people playing, obviously, if it was. I see people saying stuff like "destro >legit< nerfed by 75% dmg AND order buffed by 75%" ... which is obviously nonsense, i dont think i even need to explain why. And "all the elite destro players left cus order bias" which is also obviously nonsense. I have seen what, from my perspective, appears to be massive over-exaggerations of many things, in regards to the state of things and balance.

Is this just another classic case of everyone loves to complain? Happened on live as well, so I shouldn't be surprised if it is.. tho it seems worse here. Which is to be expected.. free and unfinished player-coded servers like this usually (always) see more of that.


EDIT: I just want to say too that I, unlike many that I've spoken to apparently, realize this is still an alpha, and subject to change in balance and many other aspects. I realize the groundwork for a lot of things needs to be layed down before the fine tuning can even happen. And so imo it would appear that people are (very much) overreacting.. but still want to get a general opinion as well. especially from both realms.

[wonshot]

It sounds like you already know the answere you seak.

This sever is as "bad" or "good" as you expect it to be. If you expect it to be on par with modern MMOS like WoW, GW2, BDO or whatever else is outthere. Then sure, this might not live up to your expectations. However, if you come in and want a piece of nostalgia, get to relive Warhammer Online and goof around this server is perfect with its pretty casual general approach and playstyle.

Once in a while someone might tryhard on here, but competition is far between and pug stomping gets old.

In terms of ballance, it will never be perfect without mirroring so accept it for what it is.
- Whitelions dominate in smallscale it would seem (not really my expertice)
And Order have very limmited "viable" dps-roles for largescale outside of Engineers(stationary fights) and BWs with some slayers tossed into the mix. Whereas destro can fit in pretty much anything to their warbands and have some sort of counter to the "Brightwizard stacking" tactic on order-side.

Or you can just pug-it-up like 95% of the server population does

[Detangler]

There only 1 or 2 classes that are a little out of whack right now (front loaded DPS classes with knockdown and pounce). Also a couple morale draining m4s and morale drain aoe melee classes without a mirror for the other side, but other than that I think the balance is pretty good.

The real issue is just player numbers balance. Getting out zerged in the lakes night after night is no fun, but I feel like the devs here are trying to force people to split up to take zones (BO supply runs).

Forts are broken hard to attack right now with the right defense set up (1st floor and a million BWs/sorcs), but hopefully things will change soon (open the posterns up).

Overall I'm pretty happy with the way things are.

[stmarrow]

I never bought the whole "Torque ruined the game" routine, but even if I had, I'd say that things are much better now. I came back after a hiatus, and there's been an attitude change. I can't put my finger on it, but some staff members aren't quite as crotchety anymore, population is up, and especially the players themselves seem less caustic.

Class balance is on the whole fine. Some order classes are stronger than their destro counterparts and vice versa, and some abilities are really triggering people (GtdC), but no class is inherently a bad choice. There's still plenty of "my class is weak, plz buff" and "that class killed me, plz nerf" going around, but I'd to hear expect the same from MMO chess players ("white going first is hugely unfair!")

ORvR is being changed a lot, but that comes with the territory for an alpha server and benefits no particular side. Admittedly guard change was a major faux pas, but it was reverted.

So, no, things aren't as bad as some say they are, and I'm not sure they ever were. Somethings it's one step back and two steps forward, but IMHO the game is getting better with every update.

[Nidwin]

In terms of balance, it will never be perfect without mirroring so accept it for what it is.

The irony, nothing personal, is that folks are wining on the GW2 forums about balance too, while it's perfectly mirrored as it's not faction but server vs server, and sPvP with access to all the toons and goodies.

Go figure.

[Halgrave]

All that Destro needs in the little RvR and SC's I've been in are more healers and more attention to PvP tactics (Things like focusing fire, positioning, destroying dps and healers first, etc. ) and when all of that comes together, I've seen smaller teams of Destro crush larger teams of Order, so people are just whining it seems.

[anarchypark]

question is long but
answer's simple yes or no, depend on personal opinion.
what do u want, someone prove bias and someone else disprove it?
bad or fine...
don't waste time on such useless debate,
play the game instead

btw, my opinion is that it's fine and getting better everyday.

[Acidic]

The server is probably more balanced than it’s been, there are some things that are off but in general balanced .
Forums are places that the reactions of all types of players are blended, that is without knowing the game you have “lobbiests” gang trying to get an edge for thier toon/faction, “no clue” players playing best of breed complaining that they got smacked down by weaker classes and claiming they need a buff due to Lear to play issues as well as all types upto “balance minded” who only ask for small changes on under performing classes as thier vision of balance is tweaks.
In short what a forum says has little to do with real state of balance and also real state of balance has little to do with an individuals feel for the state of balance.
Sometimes feel sorry for the poor person trying to balance, but then again believe that most doing it know enough about the player base not to have high hopes of the feedback mapping to reality

[Azerreth]

Its pretty much like any other game out there.

The dev's have their beliefs and ideologies and people have theirs..

The community splits numerous times both in faction, and the sub factions of "We hate x dev" or "Its just a l2p issue"

and of course these are only some of what you will see here, its not uncommon nor is it unheard of for it to be this way. You have people from all over trying to come home to the game they love but this isn't that game anymore. This is something more akin to a creature of similar shape but a sub-species. Its not "Authentic live experience" its more of a "Here is our take on it." So if you're looking for the closest live clone you can get, its not gonna be here because its completely different. I doubt such a thing exists, but if you look for WaR and what the feeling and ambiance is, this is as close as we will ever get.

[Aethilmar]

This game is "alpha" in name only. That label is merely to set expectations that stuff changes and stuff breaks and you just get to deal with it. That said, "stuff" mostly works even if I don't always agree with the way it works.

However, the community is what shines. It is among the best with whom I've ever played a PvP game. Sure there is smack-talk and some bitching (I may be a bit guilty of that ... ) but generally speaking most of the people who play this game help out without being mean or condescending.

And even if they say something snarky in the heat of battle, you can quite often get some legitimate tips on how to handle the situation better next time if you are simply willing to ask "what could I have done?"

I love it here.