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"a lot" rvr questions

Post#1 » Thu Dec 05, 2024 6:53 am

i hope its ok to list a bunch of question me and my friends have, and they are all rvr focused, mainly how the exp/reward system works.

so, to start i wanna share some experience we made that makes us asking theses questions.

sometimes, we fight in a zone for straight up 6 hours in a warband, lose the zone at the end and we get like 6k normale exp and 2k rr as reward when the zone is closed.
other times we played for like 1 hour in a small party, loose the zone and get the same reward.
but where it get confusing is when we actual WIN a zone.
sometimes we just win a freshly opened zone in like 60 minutes, get 70k exp and 15kk rr for the lord kill/keep, followed by hillariously
250k exp and 50k!!!!!!!!!!!!! rr for closing the zone. so over 300k and 60k in total.
also, what is the point of defending a castle?
we never saw any sort of reward for defending a castle or that it gives any extra rr at the end.
and also, VERY IMPORTANT FOR US, what if you have to log out, do you get 100% of the reward when you come back later when the zone was already closed?
say me and my friend join the exact wb, take a keep but then he has to log out and i stay to close the zone.
i get the full exp, does he get the same exp when he comes online again, or does he lose most of it because he wasnt present when the zone was closing?
i know its alot, but we literally did lists to figure out how it wors but came to no real conclusion.
its super weird that you sometimes get like 10k exp for playing 6k in a warband and other times you get 300k for like 30 minutes.

so my questions are:

1. is there a multiplyer on the exp reward when you are on the winner side? and how big is it, it feels like its x20!!!!!!!!!

2. how does contribution work in combination with getting often times more exp for like 30 minutes compared to 300 minutes of playing.

3. what exactly is the benefit of defending a keep? (it feels like just letting the enemy win seems more beneficial, because of the zone lock reward)

4. is there a list on what action does fill the contribution to a war the most? with actions i mean:
enemy kills, taking BO's, collecting boxes, defendding a keep and so on.

5. follow up to 4. do you get more contribution if you collect boxes and BO's solo, because you dont have to share the contribution with you party/wb?

i know its a wall of text, but we are 4 people loving this game again, but this ones melts our brains!!!!!!!!!!!!!
everything else is selfexplaining, PQ's, quests, pve, scenarios etc, all is pretty clear, but rvr................
its missing infos and tooltips.
its so frustrating that you sometimes get 5k for 5 hours of work, and sometimes 300k for 30 minutes.
thats why we depseretly need to know so that we stop OFTEN wasting so much precious time.
(we all work and have kids, so we want to make the best out of our time together)

THX TO ALL ANSWERS
and a special thanks to the team°!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: "a lot" rvr questions

Post#2 » Thu Dec 05, 2024 7:18 am

I won't try to answer all of that but;

If you log out you still get your rewards, even of the zone isn't capped for hours. If you log out then come back on a different character you lose the rewards on the first character.

If you have enough people, defending a keep can be a fantastic RR pump, but the issue is that if you don't have enough people to cover both the main and postern doors and the other side has 2 warbands that can attack both, you have no real chance of defending.

Capping the zone is far more beneficial than defending a zone or losing it in terms of rr gain.

Zone contribution is based on many things. Bo's and boxes are the most obvious, but kill dmg, protection/healing score, player revives etc etc all build in to it to.

No idea why you are getting a massive bonus for capping an empty zone, haven't noticed that myself.
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Re: "a lot" rvr questions

Post#3 » Thu Dec 05, 2024 9:26 am

so i did make screenshots from the exp i got from the three rvr wars i was part of today..........................

i did over 500k normal exp and more then 100k rr exp in just under 3 hours............ and quiet frankly, i was doing it while eating and watching a movie............

and i have no clue HOW this happend.
this is more then i did in the last 6 days COMBINED, with playing rvr for ATLEAST 5-6 hours a day.
(have to mention that i ONLY play rvr/pvp)
and also as a small sidenote, i NEVER had ANY bag as a reward in the last like 10 days when i started with the game.
but all of the sudden, i got like 5 from the last 5 wars............ with MUCH, MUUUUUCH less time investment.

was the reward somehow bugged all the days before, maybe?

well, as you can see, what exactly did i dot that i got soooooo much exp in these 3 wars today?
somone told me last week to just run solo BO's/boxes, which i did, sometimes 30 solo boxes in one war, and i got like 12k normal exp and like 2k rr reward at the end, even though it took me AGES.

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Re: "a lot" rvr questions

Post#4 » Thu Dec 05, 2024 11:14 am

The simplest way to answer this, without going into details about the math and codeing of the sytems is to have this mindset:

"when a keeplord dies the tick you get, is you cashing-out on the work you have previously done"

The succesful attackers who killed the lord, naturally get more than the defenders.

So over the lifespan of RoR whenever people have complained that players log out from one realm and over to the other realm just to flip the keep and the zone, I dont think they relize how little contribution and rewards that realisticly gives. Same for when you only show up after inner door is breached and only attack the lord, you dont get contribution for the tick only by doing that.

Captureing BOs, Running boxes, being involved & near the keep when gates go down etc etc all contributes to contribution of the zonelock. Think theres even an addon counting your contribution from kills and objectives. But basicly playing longer in a zone is not the main factor, being more succesful and involved gives more rewards if you have been part of much of the killing. But at that point we are getting into some of the more hidden mechanics of racial homepairings, you outperforming rest of your realmmates and therefor getting a bigger tick/bag. And accumulated bonus rolls.

As for experience, when logging out inside warcamps and capitals you get more rested experience which you can cash in on next time you play.
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Re: "a lot" rvr questions

Post#5 » Thu Dec 05, 2024 11:59 am

well, yeah, that it basicly what i think/thought how it works.
but what i dont get is the huge differences in numbers here.

5 hours+, 20+ boxes, 10 BO's captured, part of 100+ kills and at the end i get like 20k normal exp and 2k rr.

but like today, i do 30 minutes of the EXACT same, but get 300k and 50k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it sometimes feels that the game "forgets" my contribution so to speak.
that it checks every 30 minutes if the war is over, and if not, it just "resets" your contribution.
for me as a newby that is playing for 10 days rvr now, i can clearly say that there MUST be something wrong here.
and the multiplier for winning seems like beeing x30, which is REALLY unbalanced if you ask me.
i get double the reward, maybe tripple, but 10k compared to 300k?

is there a list on what objectiv and/or actions give how much contribution "points"?
as i stated, i was testing things like:
only taking flipping BO's, (solo and party)
only bring in boxes, (solo and party)
only run with a WB,
be part of ONLY the kee defence or keep offense.
and more.

but the exp/reward at the end seems so randomly wild to me with as i sayd, 10k compared to like 300k.

the wild thing is, that i was testing this all in the last 10 days, always had rather low exp (2-15k) and NEVER A LOOT BAG, not even white, despite beeing part of EASILY 30+ wars in those days.
but FOR A REASON I WANNA KNOW, i just made 3 wars this morning before work....... and i got more total exp then all the other 9 day COMBINED.
AND............ i got 3 bags, 1 purple and 2 golden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and i literally did nothing different, and if i did something different, it would be the opposite, i was quite "lazy" today to say the least and was mainly just following and guarding.

and im fully aware of how much text i post, but im asking ingame like every 30 minutes in hope to find someone that can give me an answer to this.
because me and my premates have only so much time a week that we can spend together, so we wanna atleast TRY to make the best of it.
and knowing what would be an obvious timewaste, would help us ALOT to get stronger.

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Re: "a lot" rvr questions

Post#6 » Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:12 pm

You are playing a free online video game. "Wasted time" is a very subjective concept. I fear there is no magical formula here. Your success is highly dependent on how many organized warbands are running at the time you are logged in, among a lot of other factors.

You win some, you lose some. In my experience, this is the best mindset you can have playing this game. Some days are worse than others, but that's just how it goes.

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Re: "a lot" rvr questions

Post#7 » Thu Dec 05, 2024 2:12 pm

I'm not an expert on reward structure and contribution but I do agree that losers are far too penalized for losing. People who spend just as much time fighting and working should see closer to 70% of rewards and bags vs the roughly 50% it is now. This applies across zones, forts and cities.
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Re: "a lot" rvr questions

Post#8 » Thu Dec 05, 2024 2:40 pm

Voldt wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:12 pm You are playing a free online video game. "Wasted time" is a very subjective concept. I fear there is no magical formula here. Your success is highly dependent on how many organized warbands are running at the time you are logged in, among a lot of other factors.

You win some, you lose some. In my experience, this is the best mindset you can have playing this game. Some days are worse than others, but that's just how it goes.
english is not my native language and you know exactly what i mean with "wasting time", like cmon here.
we are 4 friends that can play like 3-4 times a week for like 6 hours in total, and we wanna make the best of it.
and we rather wanna get 200.000k exp in 30 minutes then 5k exp in 6 hours.
my questions are not ment toxic in ANY shape or form.
if you cant answer my questions, what you obviously cant, because "you win some you loose some" is defnitely not how math and calculations work.
i dont mind loosing in rvr WHATSOEVER, like for real.
but if i know what i can do better to make it even more fun, then why does my questions bothers you?

and it cant be depended on how many warbands are running at the time you logged in, because were werent even a full warband when we took those 3 keeps this morning and destro was like 10 man at most.
compared to the other days were we fought with 60 vs 60 people for half a day.

and i simply wanna know why i get 10k exp for a 50 vs 50, 6 hour rvr compared to 300k in a 20 vs 10, 30 minutes rvr.
im really sorry if my question bothers you, but if you dont know the answer, then just try to help someone else.
im still thankful for your attention, but your answer is the complete opposite of the cool community i ment ingame so far.

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Re: "a lot" rvr questions

Post#9 » Thu Dec 05, 2024 3:47 pm

Lock ticks are just the tip of the iceberg the main renown gain comes from zone kills so concentrate on Killing stuff instead of pity random ticks
Mostly harmless

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Re: "a lot" rvr questions

Post#10 » Thu Dec 05, 2024 4:37 pm

You are playing a tank and left into a mercy of warband party that either gets contribution doing big d**k kill damage or not and fails to compete with whatever in the zone. Winner takes it all.

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