DoK/WP with book/chalice...

[Gobtar]

Dok is to healers what Chosen is to tanks.

lol brojangles - don't you know? SM/BO are far superior to your puny chosen.

Guess will continue working on my BG.

[Gobtar]

Jokes aside, BG/BO and IB/SM are pretty viable tank setups.

Then again Chosen/KotBs still don't have all their toys. BUT this thread is not about tanks. So, back to Dok/WP.

I agree that Chosen don't have all their toys, neither do Black Orcs, Chosen auras and CS are really hard to pass up, that and on-demand CC, insane durability, and M4 goodness. Black Orcs/IBs are on par with RP in my analogy.

[TenTonHammer]

I want the chalices and tomes to debuff cast ranges from 100/150ft to 30-40 ft or something of the like


Id be ok with melee healing DoK and WPs keeping te default cast ranges though

[ThePollie]

I want the chalices and tomes to debuff cast ranges from 100/150ft to 30-40 ft or something of the like


Id be ok with melee healing DoK and WPs keeping te default cast ranges though

Which will throw problems with balance now that they're within dime-shot of the front line and the back line only needs a few steps to reach them with 100 foot spells.

And melee WPs/DoKs don't use any of those cast heals, anyway. -40% on DF and Fana' and less than 200 willpower ensure they're never worth even the time to cast, let alone resources.

[Penril]

30-40 is too drastic. I was thinking something like 150/100 turn into 100/65.

[bloodi]

Range nerf does nothing besides making them more clunky to play, they are still in those ranges a lot of times and still laughing.

They just need to stick to the same rules every other healer does, that is longer casst time on group heal, not being the only ones with group hots and group cleanse.

Address that, not the range.

[ThePollie]

Range nerf does nothing besides making them more clunky to play, they are still in those ranges a lot of times and still laughing.

They just need to stick to the same rules every other healer does, that is longer casst time on group heal, not being the only ones with group hots and group cleanse.

Address that, not the range.

So where's the compensation, then? Either they lose the group cleanse and speedy heals or their competition gets them, too. But then what? Why take a Warrior priest then, when now they're on par with the others, but aren't as mobile or pack the amount of group utility.

It's the same reason Wrath is **** compared to the other DPS, and the same reason why the 'proposed buffs' I've seen so many of would never work.

[bloodi]

So where's the compensation, then? Either they lose the group cleanse and speedy heals or their competition gets them, too. But then what? Why take a Warrior priest then, when now they're on par with the others, but aren't as mobile or pack the amount of group utility.

It's the same reason Wrath is **** compared to the other DPS, and the same reason why the 'proposed buffs' I've seen so many of would never work.

What compensation, what on earth entitles you to be better than the other healers?

What compensation do other healers have? You would still have the only armor aura in the game, you would still have medium armor compared to their lighht, you would still have the only group shield, you would still be the only healer not relying on ap to heal.

In how many aspects needs wp/dok to outclass the other healers for you to be "fair"?

[TenTonHammer]

30-40 is too drastic. I was thinking something like 150/100 turn into 100/65.

Yeah something like that, i was just throwing out numbers

[Penril]

Range nerf does nothing besides making them more clunky to play, they are still in those ranges a lot of times and still laughing.

They just need to stick to the same rules every other healer does, that is longer casst time on group heal, not being the only ones with group hots and group cleanse.

Address that, not the range.

Addressing the range would only be the first step. These classes will NOT be balanced just by changing one thing; several things have to be taken in consideration. Imho, first thing we need to do is ask ourselves: what makes these classes more desirable than cloth healers? To me, it is:

- Medium armor. People mentioned that they are not as good at kiting as the other healers and therefore they need more armor. Fair enough, but in close fights you will still see them standing in their backline not needing to kite at all. Reducing the range on their heals will force them to get closer to the frontline (like they are supposed to do). Another option would be to keep their current range, but reduce the effectiveness the farther away they are from their allies.

- Different resource pool. I have no clue how to address this issue... maybe increase cost in certain key spells (like cleanse, for example, specially if the group-cleanse tactic is used).

- Fast cast times (like you mentioned). I think this would be ok if they actually were forced to get closer to the frontline. After all, that was (afaik) the whole reason for their fast cast times in the first place: go in there, melee, and toss a fast group heal once in a while.

So as you can see, working with their healing range might address at least 2 of these issues. That's how i see it anyway. People might disagree with me, that's ok. I am interested in seeing their suggestions.