Block Rate at T4 !

[Strykhe]

So,
I was wrong topic for my question.. Well. I create a new discussion, because i would like to get an answer (Good or bad..).

If a strenght as calculate for downward block at equal lvl, have you planned to give a good value at block rate on shield ?

It seems to me a block rate of shield give more % block on "age of reckoning". And actualy, a DPS who have 1k strenght, is really advantaged against a defensif tank, who have, a maximum 35% of block.

Strengthen role of defensive tank in raid, and in RvR, would be interesting for them.



PS: Sorry for my google English..
PS2: And sorry if a question has been asked..

[Shadowgurke]

I am not quite sure if I can understand what you mean.

From what I understand you are asking if the RoR team has changed the amount of Blockrate on shields due to Strength decreasing the Block rate?

Second you are asking if Blockrate gives less Block % than live servers.

And finally you are saying that a dps is advantaged against a defensive tank due to his high strength.

For the answering, no to the first question. I don't know if the blockrate formula on RoR is different than on live.

And finally not every % block is countered by Strength- The only block that gets reduced by the flat blockrate. % Block on armor, shields and jewelry, as well as renown block or tactics do not get reduced by mainstats (but they do get reduced from block strikethrough)

[Ramasee]

%chance to block = ((block_rating / attacker_main_stat) * 0.2) + modifiers {anything that gives block chance such as abilities/tactics}.

The tooltip on the character sheet is your chance to block in PvE. Your chance to block in RvR is different per target because of the formula above.

[Strykhe]

Humm..

In my archive, for 417 block rate on shield, we have 23,8% block. (Based on formule (Good on live) : Blockrate / (level x 7.5 + 50) x 0.2 x 100 = x% block).
And, actually, with a Shield 332 Block rate, we have only 6.7%.. instead of.. 18.9%.


And 6.7% block debuff by 1k strenght, isn't a same of 19% debuff by 1k strenght.


I know, for your last note, but a block rate has a "buff" (Secondary stat of Blockrate Shield), and not a value of block, and is réduce by strenght.
After all, it was like that at the time.

So, a false value of Blockrate is a false balance in RvR, because strenght is the same on the live.


Actually, the Shield isn't a real choice in game, the defensive tank are too weak.



Edit: I understand a downgrade for the T3 balance, but now, with a T4, back to the "normal", is possible ?

[Lileldys]

In my archive, for 417 block rate on shield, we have 23,8% block. (Based on formule (Good on live) : Blockrate / (level x 7.5 + 50) x 0.2 x 100 = x% block).
And, actually, with a Shield 332 Block rate, we have only 6.7%.. instead of.. 18.9%.

I spoke with Geni on this on the formula thread. That Formula is based on PvE, and not PvP, Ramasee is correct.

[Strykhe]

Yes.
I understand.

But, the calcul of Block based on Block rate on shield, isent a same thing than reduction block based on strenght.

Because, 6.7% block in PvE, it remains 6.7% block in RvR. After, this 6.7% are more or less bypassed by strenght ennemi.
If we have a value of 18.9%, strenght reduce less block and tank.. tanking more (On counter, Tank hit at 50 DPS..)


So, the question remains the same ^^

Have you planned to give a good value at block rate on shield ?

[Ramasee]

Atttacker_main_stat in the formula I gave above is strength. That is also where the block reduction value of strength is.

In order for you to only have a 6.7% chance to block with a 332 shield, your opponent has to have ~1000 strength. This is a good thing to assume, however, because softcap is 1050. So the SMALLEST block chance you have is ~6%. And then you can increase this further, every tank can get at least another 10% from renown.

This means you have a 16.7% chance to block, in addition to ~7% parry. So you have a 23.3% chance to avoid damage completely. Then 77.7% chance to take damage that gets reduced by your 700+ toughness and your 75% damage reduction from armor.

So assuming I have an attack with a base damage of 400, and I have 1000 strength. You have what I listed above (bc you are a defensively geared tank). My attack would normally do 700 damage, however your 700 toughness reduces that to damage 490. Your 75% armor reduces that damage further to 122.5.

Then we account for your 23.3% chance to avoid damage entirely. So my attack would average out to be 95 damage.

This means that you took my attack from 700 damage down to 95. Effective reduction of 86.42%. You want to INCREASE that? If your tank is too squishy, you aren't gearing him right or playing him right.

All of the above is without the tank casting Hold the Line! either, which makes a tank ridiculous to kill. Or accounting for any passives and abilities you might have.

[Daknallbomb]

harder tanks are u crazy ? .... a well healed def tank is rly undefeatable atm at 12vs12 or something .
Yesterday we fight with 6 man against ONE knight (def) we need more than 40 secs to kill him ;D he was alone wtf .....

[Strykhe]

Please, just read my comments.. I dont talk about same thing of you.

Blockrate isn't a same on live. Strenght, is a same on live.

A shield with 332 block rate should give 19% block, but he give 6.7%.
It's true, and logical, there necessarily an unbalance between the values calculated by the force to break the bock, if the block isnt right.

If you are more blockrate, you are more chance to block DPS attack with 1k strenght. Calculate again with a real 332 blockrate value, 18.9% block, and see.




In short, i just want know, if we are chance to see the blockrate value returning as before.

harder tanks are u crazy ? .... a well healed def tank is rly undefeatable atm at 12vs12 or something .
Yesterday we fight with 6 man against ONE knight (def) we need more than 40 secs to kill him ;D he was alone wtf .....

Yes, the HP potions have a 30sec couldown on the live, and you had to play its controls as needed, at the right time to kill a tank.
In return, a tank can make it a single kill in 1v12 ? His role is to slow down ennemy. Isn't real actually. Defensive tank is useless in BG and 1v1 actually.. And i'm not talking about RvR, because it's just a OS.. We die as fast as a Slayer..

And with a good value of strenght, you kill tank fast enough, at 12v1 ^^

[Daknallbomb]

if u die as fast as a slayer u rly making something wrong ....
actually a good tank is not killable so what needs more block just still unkillable
if u rly die as def tank with support change spec,stuff,rr points , amstery there is rly something wrong