For those of you who have complained to me about grace spec

[DefinitelyNotWingz]

Healing SM is also very viable!

[Ninepaces]

Grace is strong and viable.

sincerely,
destro player

[Candide]

Grace is fun to play, but can't be competitive vs Full Heal Spec.
The scenario was about farming vs tank and mdps. What about if they have a lot of Sorc ?
I was in your group, and you do a really good job, because, I prefer a great player who know is toon, than a fake heal/afk/nobrain. When I see you pop as "dps or grace", on ts i've say to my team mate to play "close" and take the assist train (i change M1 to shield) to profit of your "pbaoe" heal.

Anyway you overheal my stat heal, for the very reason than you can hit all the time, and you heal with "zone" and not "group".
Instead, Full heal spec i have to "reload" fury.

Thanx for the scenario

If, I have to choose between you or another rando, I prefer play with you.

But you can't compete vs another good WP heal or vs another good RP/AM heal

/Cheers dude

See you soon

[Stmichael1989]

Did I ever say that Grace was better than Salv or that it was ultra competitive? Apparently to most of you you're either the best and thus "viable" or you're garbage. I know full well that salv has the advantage of being a steady stream of healing that isn't putting itself at risk out in front of the warband. I also acknowledge that grace can get shut down or hindered by a number of different things from kiting to confusing movements or guard. But it's still very capable of healing quite a lot if you aren't in some doomed-to-fail group without a single tank vs an organized melee train.

On live my first character was a witch hunter. I could have gone the same route and been pretty much useless, but I chose WP first to at least help out the typical lack of healing just about any online game has. Then when a bunch of derps overextend or our front line gets crushed because we have no tanks, they blame the WP with the 2 hander. It's sickening, and frankly indicative of the sort of community I want nothing to do with. I would find it a colossal disappointment to see a dead game resurrected by devoted developers who want to make a fun game only to have it become a toxic cesspit of elitists that can't comprehend someone playing something because it's fun rather than something that's more effective but boring.

[Stmichael1989]

Thanx for the scenario

If, I have to choose between you or another rando, I prefer play with you.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I've got a knight I'm leveling up slowly but surely. If I spot ya in a scenario I'll be sure to keep an eye out for you.

[Tiggo]

Personal Opinion:

Grace WP is viable. It has some downsides but its far away as a reason to get mocked in a sc.

[Azarael]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking

And before you jump on me, know that my own WP is Grace and there is a huge thread on the subject of Grace on this very forum to which I contributed extensively.

Just as a quick question, do you plan on reviewing grace/wrath viability in the future?

Yes, but in all likelihood as part of a solution designed to unify the WP's trees and playstyles and not on their own. Grace and Wrath cannot stand alone but might have some function as part of a mode- or stance-type system.

[NectaneboII]

You seem to be , excuse the word , bitching , about the ungrateful behaviour most of the healers deal with , to my understanding , the best possible option is to go Salvation , as it does not only aid your realms advance in the best possible way , but it is also rewarding ( yes healing contribution is non existant , sadly )

[Caffeine]

Is this the thread that we post our sick screenshots in?

Here is me healing as much as you as salv at level 14: http://i.imgur.com/1C3WpFb.jpg

Here is me crushing your score at level 30 (clearly before I realized that Sigmar's Shield was garbage): http://i.imgur.com/Q2hb2pC.jpg

Crushing it harder: http://i.imgur.com/BNflj0s.jpg

Wooooo!: http://i.imgur.com/vluGKh5.jpg

Look at all these scrub WPs! THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT MY GRACE!: http://i.imgur.com/0sbErog.jpg

Oh, wait: http://imgur.com/DhPuV0M

I could post a bunch more screenshots of me doing top heals in a scenario as Grace, but as far as I am concerned; Grace sucks (mainly due to the reasons Azareal posted in his thread regarding it).

Obligatory Engineers are OP and need a nerf screenshot!: http://i.imgur.com/uVvLF4i.jpg

Just out of curiosity what framerate does your game run at on that resolution?

[Lileldys]

Is this the thread that we post our sick screenshots in?

Here is me healing as much as you as salv at level 14: http://i.imgur.com/1C3WpFb.jpg

Here is me crushing your score at level 30 (clearly before I realized that Sigmar's Shield was garbage): http://i.imgur.com/Q2hb2pC.jpg

Crushing it harder: http://i.imgur.com/BNflj0s.jpg

Wooooo!: http://i.imgur.com/vluGKh5.jpg

Look at all these scrub WPs! THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT MY GRACE!: http://i.imgur.com/0sbErog.jpg

Oh, wait: http://imgur.com/DhPuV0M

I could post a bunch more screenshots of me doing top heals in a scenario as Grace, but as far as I am concerned; Grace sucks (mainly due to the reasons Azareal posted in his thread regarding it).

Obligatory Engineers are OP and need a nerf screenshot!: http://i.imgur.com/uVvLF4i.jpg

Just out of curiosity what framerate does your game run at on that resolution?

I've noticed even in 4k that framerate hardly changes. Dropped 5fps average going from 1080->4k

On Topic, how much of that is "effective healing". Anyone can spam sigmar's radiance with Grace of Sigmar slotted, just filling people hp bar after the odd aoe skill thrown out by the opposition.
Melee WP will also takes slot of an MDPS, needing a guard. Not nearly as much damage as the other 3 mdps, and only providing more healing to a group that isn't really needed most of the time. Don't give the AoE detaunt story, you get a choice to detaunt the melee, or the ranged.