Full wipe

[Vrierst]

A minimun could be 1, 2, 3 or all that the circunstances make necessary. The question is if we will be prepared to find when the circunstances are making the wipe needed. I assume the players are. Are the devs? Do the devs know if the players are prepared? How do they know? Why do they know it? Why must they know it?

The answers to this questions are the point of the post, imo.

Stop trolling.

I beg your pardon?

[machopi1]

This thread is literally pointless.Lobbying for a full wipe because 'i already had a full wipe when >>LIVE<< closed' is idiotic.How can you even compare the official game closing to this server resetting.You're claiming that the sooner the hundreds of hours people have sunk into playing this are wiped the LESS people will leave? What's wrong with you, are you high? That's not a 'fact', nothing works like that.
So stop trying to brown-nose the devs by making senseless troll threads, thank you.

[Stmichael1989]

I hope that if a wipe should ever become necessary the devs figure out the old account entitlements feature as a means of preserving at least some of what we've earned.

I can't imagine it would be too difficult to verify character levels and translate that into XP scrolls for new characters. Things like that would go a long way toward preserving the population if it became necessary.

[RyanMakara]

We try to keep the amount of wipes necessary to a minimum.

A minimun could be 1, 2, 3 or all that the circunstances make necessary. The question is if we will be prepared to find when the circunstances are making the wipe needed. I assume the players are. Are the devs? Do the devs know if the players are prepared? How do they know? Why do they know it? Why must they know it?

The answers to this questions are the point of the post, imo.

I'll give you a nice example of a gold exploit back in T3, in which we decided to not wipe all the gold, while certain players had unfairly gained exponential amounts. As there have been two wipes of relevance in T1 and T2 before, in that instance we decided to leave the gold for what it was, as the number of players was also drastically higher and there was a lot of protest against a potential wipe; lots of discussion on this can be found in older posts.

The paradoxical thing was that even while leaving the server's inflated amount of gold alone, it caused a lot of tension as there were people in a 1% kind of position; profiting in Auction House sales from items that gold exploiters bought in a heartbeat, no matter their price. Nearly the entire AH (on both realms) was stripped of its valuable items, which were still an upcoming commodity at the time (purple weapons, armor, talismans, salvage gear) - only to be sold again later as a whitewashing attempt by gold exploiters. Buy tons of legit goods for illegal gold, and sell them again once there is no competition from various legit gold sources. Somehow this spreading of illegal gold across a few innocent people that were active in AH trades at the time, did balance out things in due time, as those who gained rapid AH sales had the potential to spend that money on their items of choice as well, while gold exploiters with ludicrous amounts of gold were banned.

A lot of us felt that despite the fact that everything went 'okay' in this instance, we should have still wiped the gold in-game, or at least reduce everyone's gold to a certain three-digit amount. Mostly because there were a lot of players that retained a lot of wealth, be they gained fairly through honest trade or getting lucky with having their items bought for massive amounts in a quick succession, and it showed a discrepancy as the gold from T3 killquests was also nerfed at the time. To say whether the devs, or the players are prepared for a wipe, is irrelevant in my opinion. Players want to retain their progression and be treated as the fair, non-exploiting majority they are, developers want a healthy game environment. As has been stated in this thread, at the end of alpha to enter beta stage, is when people expect a full wipe. We are not near this turn point yet, and do not intent on wiping anything unless there is a massive exploit, or a justified reason to clear everyone's alpha progression.

[sparkly1]

guys, I have two a weekend and I want to play so much, that I agree to wipe.

[Vrierst]

This thread is literally pointless.Lobbying for a full wipe because 'i already had a full wipe when >>LIVE<< closed' is idiotic.How can you even compare the official game closing to this server resetting.You're claiming that the sooner the hundreds of hours people have sunk into playing this are wiped the LESS people will leave? What's wrong with you, are you high? That's not a 'fact', nothing works like that.
So stop trying to brown-nose the devs by making senseless troll threads, thank you.

Sorry if i find it interesting. Thanks for reading and posting. We all find your comments useful.

[RyanMakara]

This thread is literally pointless.Lobbying for a full wipe because 'i already had a full wipe when >>LIVE<< closed' is idiotic.How can you even compare the official game closing to this server resetting.You're claiming that the sooner the hundreds of hours people have sunk into playing this are wiped the LESS people will leave? What's wrong with you, are you high? That's not a 'fact', nothing works like that.
So stop trying to brown-nose the devs by making senseless troll threads, thank you.

To be honest, all the time you choose to spend on a freelance alpha state project of a failed multi-million MMORPG, is your own responsibility. Please do keep in mind that, despite a semi-functioning game state and a thousand people to play with/against, you are a tester, and not a player who is entitled to anything but our gratitude for helping in this project's development.

[machopi1]

tl;dr.

I'm not saying im entitled to anything. I'm saying that starting a thread about lobbying for a full wipe for a full wipe's sake is pointless and will wreck the player base if such thing comes to pass.

[RyanMakara]

tl;dr.

I'm not saying im entitled to anything. I'm saying that starting a thread about lobbying for a full wipe for a full wipe's sake is pointless and will wreck the player base if such thing comes to pass.

I did not mean for that post to be personal, although I replied to your quote as it related to people leaving over having their progress wiped; all the arguments supplied relate to the fact that a developer in the game's current state would rather have a hundred dedicated testers, bug reporters and helpful advisors for the game's development, than a thousand players who fear their progress in a free-to-play game is wiped, and justifies as a reason to quit playing due to time and effort spent.

It is not about wiping for a wipe's sake; it's about wiping when we transit to beta state, as this would allow -everyone- to start from scratch and progress fairly in an environment with less exploit potential. It would also allow for us to see what means of progression are going to be the fastest; it will basically reform the game meta and allow us to plan accordingly for a full release. But, as we have been in alpha state for 2 years and the majority of players seem fine with playing in the current state, I do understand that IF we were to do a full wipe, be it now or when we deem the server to be in beta state, a lot of players will quit. This is why we keep the amount of wipes required to a minimum, and there will be no verdict made yet on any plans of potential wiping.

Side note: tl;dr on a post that's shorter than the one replied to, that's funny

[Vrierst]

do not intent on wiping anything unless there is a massive exploit, or a justified reason to clear everyone's alpha progression.

Nobody is claiming for a full wipe. The point is if the community can afford a full wipe without a drastical decrease of the population. IMO, yes we can. Other people think we cannot, even when we may begin the betha testing.

It would be interesting to know your opinion about that. We already know that you disagreed when some partial wipe took place because you wanted to make people poorer because the money they legally gained came from exploiting. But finally, nobody did anything. I can understand your reasons. But may be you can share your opinion about the impact of a full wipe in the community, whenever it happens.